The Phone Conversation: Paet & Ashton

Stacy Summary: Ashton says, “no comment” and Paet has confirmed the phone call took place but says he has not listened to the audio to confirm all accurate and unedited. So take that into consideration when listening, and with that here is this breaking story as all is fair in love and war and hoaxes do happen. But . . .


British EU chief hears Ukraine shooting claim in bugged call

In the recording, the male says he has seen evidence suggesting that one group was responsible for shooting both riot police and protesters alike, and that there is a “stronger and stronger understanding” that one of the Maidan leaders organised the shootings.

It has previously been reported that government gunmen were responsible for the majority of 88 protester deaths in the uprising.

Mr Paet reports after speaking to “Olga” – a person whom Baroness Ashton seems to know – who is described by Mr Paet as a doctors’ leader.

Mr Paet says that Olga told him that “all evidence shows that the people were killed by snipers from both sides – among policemen and people from the streets – that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides.

He continues: “And it’s really disturbing that now the new coalition, they don’t want to investigate what exactly happened, so that there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.”

‘Olga’ seems to be a doctor, who has now spoken out:



74 comments on “The Phone Conversation: Paet & Ashton
  1. The Dork of Cork says:

    Ok moral victory points go to Russia.
    But so what ?

    The truth is both the Anglos and Russia need a war.
    This is a mutually beneficial path to war.

    Watch apparently inept state department officials doing their thing…………
    Using morality as a vice to trap all sides in a confrontation.

    Ohh poor Belgium – we must save it.
    1914 folks – here we go.

  2. @Dork – war is always good for business – keeps politicians in power as patriotism demanded domestically, keeps oligarchs rich as the patriotic and scared citizens pay anything to keep safe and so on; I know that when we traveled to the Gulf in 2006, we were treated with such respect as great gift givers for the people of Qatar and UAE credited America’s war on Iraq as causing the price of gas and oil to rise so much; they were truly happy. So, as long as Americans don’t mind impoverishing themselves for a sense of military superiority, there are others happy to play along if they’re being paid so well

  3. ‘The first casualty in war is the truth.’ So said Churchill.

    If the same snipers were shooting both sides how come Yanukovych and Putin haven’t squawked loudly about this yet.

    This is poor reporting and needs confirmations.

    ‘Can Do Better.’

  4. Lawrence says:

    What seems even more likely with these leaked recordings is that Putin may have enlisted the help of Snowden and is now using a back door access into the NSA computers. Just how ironic would that be?

    Justice is SERVED! Expose it all !

  5. The Dork of Cork says:

    @Stacy
    Destruction of Europe = more resources for the Anglos……

    We have seen this picture before.
    As in 1914 the Anglos have decided that their pet Euro market state is over for the time being.

    Mercantile Germany is in big trouble.

  6. Enviro mental says:

    it’s not a hoax, it’s a method.

  7. gussy says:

    The info wars, fascinating.

  8. Flopot says:

    @Dork

    “We have seen this picture before.
    As in 1914 the Anglos have decided that their pet Euro market state is over for the time being.”

    I can well believe that. The British Empire went to war twice when it got scared of Germany’s continental power. And the 2nd time had sweet fa to do with saving the Jews. Which is directly related to Israel’s open contempt of international law.

    As for the veracity of these accusations. I believe’em. For example, I think the same methods were used in Syria in 2011 and in Moscow in 1993. It just seems to be a really cynical way of creating chaos and, on balance (every frickin’ story!), seems to be a fav tool of Western interests.

  9. @Enviro mental – yes, but there are also hoaxes on all sides; like the shriek that just went out on all the newswires that the UN envoy traveling in Crimea had been abducted; 15 minutes later he said he hadn’t been abducted but had been forced to walk to the frickin coffee shop; so when I posted this, the story had only just broken and there were no clear statements from either side; it, however, seemed too crazy to believe that they would speak like this on the phone so I reserved some doubt just in case it was, indeed, too perfect

  10. Flopot says:

    Perhaps the West has simply underestimated the resources (IC and otherwise) of her opponents in the Ukraine. This is not Assad, Saddam or Gaddafi. The US has run out of dictators to topple and so now has to manufacture dictators out of elected leaders.

    Perhaps the West is suffering from hubris – drunk on all the successful chaos generated since 9/11. Perhaps we can add some vengeful anger to the pot: anger at Russia’s role in preventing a NATO bombing campaign of Syria. So arrogance and blind rage have led to the mess in the Maydan?

    But yes, it could also be a hoax. You have to allow for that possibility. And if the original source is now denying what was reported (ala Dr Kelly?) then any impact it might have had can now be neutralized in all the relevent media. So on reflection, perhaps not the truth breaking through and exposing the lies of the warmongers.

    Scepticism is so deflating.

  11. Klitch says:

    Brainwash Update
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZolXrjGIBJs

    until then I will keep telling the truth the way I se it ; Guten nacht everyone .
    Epic FAIL .

  12. Flopot says:

    There’s also the callousness of releasing the leak (okay, if true :P) and not making any moves to contact the source, “Dr Olga”?, because this could land her in trouble with the new Ukrainian regime.

    So in trying to score points against the pro-Western narrative you’re endangering the life of the source. They should’ve warned her in advance.

  13. Flopot says:

    *”you’re” refers to the leakers

  14. Flopot says:

    @ eMental

    Thanks for those reading tips – said books are now added to my KR Bookclub Library.

  15. Frans says:

    Bussiness as usual….

  16. cold says:

    March 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    “Military Industrial Congressional Intelligence Complex”

    All of this for NEW cold war?, IF so, it was well planned!.

  17. Fan of Max and Stacey says:

    I wonder if Abby Martin will now apologise for her ignorant outburst.

  18. Jonny James says:

    @Flopot

    I think you speculated that the “snipers” were provocateurs on a thread a day or two ago if I recall correctly. You also speculated that this might happen in Caracas.

    Now we have this phone conversation and verification from the Estonian FM.

    Dr. PCR wrote months ago that the CIA and Sate Dept/NED with their front NGOs were attempting to destabilize Russia. Can’t blame them for making them register as foreign agents.

    As one example to contrast this: The US does not require AIPAC and other Zionist lobby groups to register as foreign agents.

  19. Patrick Walker says:

    Why does everyone assume that it was the Russians who leaked the Nuland call?

    If I was in the State Department, and I had a conscience and knew that Nuland was off her rocker, that person might have taken a page from Mr. Snowden and leaked the call for the greater good.

    For me, I believe it’s far more likely the leak came from the State Department than from the Russians.

  20. Jonny James says:

    The bottom line:
    A democratically-elected govt., legally recognized by the rest of the world, was overthrown by violent force.

    The current govt. of Ukraine is by definition, illegitimate.

    Officials of the US empire, including the puppet emperor, have declared that the US is not subject to international law or its own constitution. The US breaks its own laws and international laws daily.

    This is the law of the jungle, not the rule of law.

  21. Flopot says:

    @JJ

    I finally thought we had good evidence of these snipers that keep popping up and shooting up demonstrations. But the evidence is being dismissed on the MSM as “garbage” because the original source (the Kiev doctor) is denying she ever said those things to the Estonian official.

    The Estonian official says that a conversation did take place but he has not specifically confirmed his statements about the snipers. So is the doctor protecting herself? Is the conversation faked?

    Either way there is no story here now. Just smoke and mirrors as Stacy states. Now we have counter accusations of Russian snipers; and now “Black Water”-style Western mercenaries are being blamed.

    If the source is denying she said those things then there is no story.

  22. Fan of Max and Stacey says:

    @flopot

    Of course the doctor is denying she said anything. Her life is in danger. 77 people were killed by the crazies. What is the life of one more person to them?

    As for there being no story, I disagree. Clearly Paet was of the view that the protesting coalition were to blame when he told Ashton.

  23. Flopot says:

    @Fan of Max and Stacy

    There is no story if she’s denying she said those things. The Estonian offical has yet to confirm whether the specifics of the leaked conversation, in particular what he says about the snipers, are genuine.

    It reminds me of the Dr Kelly tragedy – he started denying what he reportedly said to the BBC journalist. If you’re correct in your assumptions then I hope the Kiev doctor has done enough to save her life.

    Either way we have nothing.

  24. Common Sense says:

    The doctor Olga Bogomolets has clarified by rejecting the rumour that Paet claimed.

    The police special forces have made an apology and asked for forgiveness for the shootings.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567420/Begging-forgiveness-riot-police-blamed-dozens-deaths-Kiev-Brutal-security-forces-knees-greeted-shouts-shame.html

    If the special police were infiltrated or impersonated, they would know about it, and they wouldn’t be begging forgiveness for someone else’s actions.

    Some people even claimed that the berkut were not issued weapons – but here they are
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7cqjiPtdY

    It’s am understandeable, but weak, conspiracy theory.

  25. Flopot says:

    @Common Sense

    Hmmmm, being cajolled by neo-nazis into begging forgiveness?

  26. Flopot says:

    Haha. Totally misused that word. I mean’t “threatened” or “pressured”.

  27. Jonny James says:

    No matter, we already have evidence that the US/EU was involved in supporting this coup and the bottom line is the bottom line:
    The current regime in Kiev is illegitimate by definition.

  28. Flopot says:

    @JJ

    I completely agree. The West engineered this crisis. But now Russia is playing its moves and Russia will act out of self-interest.

  29. Jonny James says:

    True, but Russia is and will be acting in self-defense. Zbiggy and the boys want Russia surrounded, contained and then destabilized and broken apart.

    Despite the setbacks in Georgia, they are doing a pretty good job of achieving their strategic objectives so far.

    Once Russia, Syria and Iran are neutralized, China will be the only one left to stand in the way.

    If I were Russia, I would be very concerned indeed.

  30. Vonda Bar says:

    .

    !

    Putin Doesn’t Threaten Our National Security, Obama Does

    “…Vladimir Putin isn’t the Easter Bunny. On the other hand, he isn’t Joseph Stalin. It takes a truly fevered imagination to see Russian forces in the Crimea as a prelude to Russian tanks rolling across Europe toward Berlin and Paris.

    Putin is a power player who cares more about Russia’s national interests, and Russian minorities in his near abroad, than in that mythical force known as world opinion. Would that America had a president who cared more about our interests than in promoting globalism and the left’s social agenda. ..”

    continue ;-)
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/03/putin_doesnt_threaten_our_national_security_obama_does.html

    !

    .

  31. Flopot says:

    @JJ

    True. It seems a given that the west will continue to destabilize the Muslim parts of Russia. The US in particular has a bizarro hatred of Russia as personified by zbiggy and his acolytes. I think they’re all over the Obama admin, e.g. Nuland herself?

  32. kwazimota says:

    your oswald was not an emotionally involved player .looks like gods work

  33. Enviro mental says:

    “OLGA TOLD THAT ALL THE EVIDENCE SHOWS that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides”

    he’s very specific, why would Estonia’s Foreign Minister Urmas Paet lie?

  34. Jonny James says:

    And of course we have the IMF and the intl. banking cartel swooping in to strip the carcass of Ukraine bare as we speak.

    Ukraine is now a virtual colony of the US/NATO/IMF. I would not want to be living in Ukraine in the future.

  35. Flopot says:

    @eMental

    The problem is that the Estonian official has not confirmed those details of the conversation.

    @kwaz

    I have no idea what to make of that report. Everything is so contradictory: neonazis giving orders to idf soldiers; rabbis saying Jews should leave Ukraine and other rabbis saying stay.

    The new Kiev parliament definitely passed a law repealing anti-nazi laws. That is a verifiable act that I doubt was done in the interests of free speech. If Israeli operatives are collaborating with the neonazis then the betrayal of the memory of the holocaust is complete.

  36. kwazimota says:

    we have the down home nazis down here ..http://www.hueylong.com/life-times/assassination.php

  37. Nat says:

    @Jonny James

    “The bottom line:
    A democratically-elected govt., legally recognized by the rest of the world, was overthrown by violent force.”

    What’s your source on this?

    Everything I’ve seen suggests Yanokovich fled to his masters and his own party denounced his leadership.

    All talk afterwards about it being a coup at gun point came after the Russian invasion, after Yanokovich’s own claims that he was deposed at gun point, practically speaking. And that then only mentioned in opinion pieces as if estabished fact but still with no proof or reference to proof.

    Best way to convince people of something is not to directly argue the point but instead to reference the point as if estabilshed, unquestionable fact. Happens all the time, on blogs, on MSM .. I don’t swallow any of it.

    The talk of Russia acting in self-defense is also how a mad person justifies the murder they just committed – they really did believe that they were under threat from demons etc.

    It’s walking away from these paranoic assumptions that prevents unneccessary violence. Hey, if they turn out to be true, then act but not before..

    Unfortunately, whilst the leaders play these propganda games on both sides the real people, the citizens, take it all in and become that mad person.. and then things get out of control. We’re already seeing it in Crimea with some of the rhetoric at demonstrations.

    One quote which made me laugh from a Russian resident of Crimea talking of the temp government in Kiev was something like this: “I’m all for white race superiority and all but I hate fascists! “

  38. Enviro mental says:

    >>>The problem is that the Estonian official has not confirmed those details of the conversation.

    he doesn’t need to confirm, we all heard and understood what he said.
    a tweet from the telegraph doesn’t take it away.

  39. Nat says:

    @Vonda Bar

    “Would that America had a president who cared more about our interests than in promoting globalism and the left’s social agenda. ..”

    Yet another person twisting all global events around to fit in with their own causes..

    How does someone manage to turn this to something against leftist socialist?

    Just too many self-obsessed commentators on the internet these days to bother paying any attention to!

  40. Nat says:

    @Enviro mental

    You mean you recognise his voice?

    I must admit ignorance here and wouldn’t recognise his voice from a shockjock or any other man (or woman in some instances)..

  41. Jonny James says:

    Forget about the minutia and smokescreens keep our eyes behind the curtain.. The strategic picture is clear.

    PCR just posted a new interview minutes ago and an article earlier today:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org

    Prof. F. Boyle new interview:
    http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_05/Ukraine-US-NATO-EU-want-Nulands-neo-nazi-thugs-in-power-Prof-Francis-Boyle-1522/

    These guys have the experience, historical and contextual knowledge to have made, to me at least, by far the most compelling and comprehensive analyses of this situation.

  42. Jonny James says:

    Hey Nat if you can’t have an adult conversation: Fuck Off
    By now

  43. Flopot says:

    Just agree to differ, you’ll never convince Nat that Yanu fled the violence that broke out after the breakdown of the agreement. There is no strong evidence about who was behind the sniper fire – I have seen pics of snipers from both sides. But there is compelling evidence that the west backed the putsch and that neon axis have considerable influence in the new Kiev regime.

    Western involvement alone nullifies the 1994 agreement with Russia, IMO.

  44. Flopot says:

    Typo….neonazis not neon axis. Lol. The iPad is crap.

  45. Enviro mental says:

    >>>You mean you recognise his voice?

    it doesn’t matter, the audio is prima facie, if it was fake you’d have heard something by now, your speculation isn’t evidence.
    we know corporate newspapers have been on the front lines in conflict matters for hundreds of years, which is why a hearsay tweet from the telegraph is pretty weak counter evidence.

  46. Common Sense says:

    @Flopot”There is no strong evidence about who was behind the sniper fire – I have seen pics of snipers from both sides.”

    Isn’t this strong evidence ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7cqjiPtdY

    Squads of berkut cops, milling around, with sniper rifles, firing them down the street.

    How does the conspiracy work out with this ?
    If that is unauthorised fire, you have colleagues and commanding officers right there to tell them to stop.

    If they are plants or infiltrators you also have people who will recognise that they are unkowns.

    You also, I expect, have a duty roster, a pay roll, and a list of who was issued rifles.

    If there was fire coming from some other place, grassy knoll style, Berkut are military trained so wouldn’t they be able to tell – and wouldn’t they be talking about that now, rather than taking the rap for something they didn’t do ?

    For the ex-Yanukovich government, it would be pretty easy to find out if those were their own forces or not, you would have a control centre telling all units where to go and keeping track of them.
    Did the Yanukovich administration say there were mysterious unknown units of armed police around the place that were never in touch with their command centre ? That would be the easiest way to shift responsibility but I don’t think they did that, which surely they would have if they could.

    On the other hand, those that engaged in the act of penance didn’t seem to know who was responsible.

    “Although this group of officers said they were not involved in firing at protestors, they wanted forgiveness on behalf of forces who did.

    “We are wearing Berkut uniforms, but this uniform was disgraced during the events in Kiev, when people were shot at, and an investigation is now underway. They say those were interior ministry troops, but we don’t know for sure. But anyway, we’ve come to beg for forgiveness on their behalf,” one officer said.”

    Hmmm, maybe it’s a case of wait and see.

  47. Useless Eater says:

    I’d just go with the neon axis, Flopot. Got a cool sound to it. If Bush talked of an axis of evil being neon, too, it would have been much more fun. The leader peeps are gonna have to start making death, destruction and pillaging more attractive, if they are going to get the kind of support from their citizens that they got for, say, WWII. Compliance is at an all-time low, thus all of this excessive policing and authority.

  48. Enviro mental says:

    LOL, big time.

    do you know the absolute fucking irony in all this?

    the european treaty for which this new government wants to sign up to allows state force to legally shoot to kill in the case of riots!

    “2. Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
    ….in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_2_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

    …so this insurrection which is fighting to signup to this EU treaty to legalise the execution of rioters cries a river when the state they are overthrowing starts shooting their own rioters!

    it’s fucked up!

  49. yawp says:

    I love that “shriek” is becoming a meme

  50. Snooze says:

    If a Western official wants to throw the Russians a hint, they tend to use an open line.

  51. Pootipoot says:

    Lets hope they all resign at RT, Abby too. Sooner or later they’ll show up in MSNBC. Cant stand the left wing bias on RT. I want to see more of Putin with a rifle or gun surrounded with tigers. Just love a magnum man.

  52. dave says:

    The Ukraine Crisis – It’s the Intermarium Plan Again
    March 1, 2014

    The garbled slogans and ravings of the Ukrainian nationalists are straight from the Intermarium playbook.

    Croat Nazi leader Ante Pavelic inspecting Croatian Nazi 369th Infantry volunteers, Hrvatska Legija, in WWII along with Ukrainian 14th Waffen SS Division, the Galician Division, joined forces to kill Russians.
    Croat Nazi leader Ante Pavelic inspecting Croatian Nazi 369th Infantry volunteers, Hrvatska Legija, in WWII along with Ukrainian 14th Waffen SS Division, the Galician Division, joined forces to kill Russians.
    By Dr. Jonathan Levy

    Political scientists attribute the Ukraine crisis to competition between Russia and the West or East Ukraine versus West Ukraine. While these simple explanations have their merits, there is much more at stake; nothing less the long planned absorption of Ukraine into the Intermarium and the break-up of Russia into toothless mini states.

    Few in the Western media or academia would know that in 1920 an opportunistic Poland sought to make Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus its own satellites and fought a brief but bloody war with the nascent Soviet Union. But after defeating the Whites, the Red Army gave its full attention to the Poles and their advances turned into reverses as they were chased all the way from Kiev and Minsk back to Warsaw by Budenny’s Red Calvary. Warsaw was saved only by the soldiering of its Polish chief of staff Pilsudski who miraculously stopped the Red Army just outside the city –otherwise Poland would have been the 16th Soviet Republic.

    The Poles never forgot their military humiliation and near annihilation of their just born state. Pilsudski who went on to be the Polish dictator developed two long range plans named the Intermarium and Promethean plans to make sure that neither Germany nor the Soviet Union would ever be able to grind Poland between them. The Promethean plan involved the breaking up of the USSR into small relatively harmless states by stirring up nationalism in Georgia, the Don and Kuban Cossacks, Ingushetia, Idel-Ural, Azerbaijan, Yakutistan, Armenia, Crimea, Karelia and Komi with the hopes of detaching them from a weak rump government at Moscow. This plan resembled something of the chaos that occurred in the early 1990s when Yeltsin could scarcely control his governors and Tatarstan and Chechnya were all but independent countries.

    The Intermarium was to be a massive concentration of power in east central Europe as a counter balance between East and West with a vast federal union of peoples stretching between the Black sea and the Baltic. The constituent states were to include Poland, the Baltic countries, Belarus, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, and Croatia – all countries with sizeable Roman Catholic populations. The Intermarium on paper at least was large and powerful enough to supplant German and Russian influence in the Balkans and beyond.

    To that end, the Polish Army absorbed the former Georgian, White Russian, Cossack and Ukrainian officer corps fleeing the USSR. But, the rise of Stalin and Hitler and Poland’s own problems with a large restive German minority quickly shelved these ambitious plans. The Promethean plan was briefly hijacked by Hitler who also sought to foment rebellion in the wartime USSR by recruiting foreign legions from among hapless POWs to be led by Nazi collaborators such as General Vlasov and the Ukrainian nationalist Bandera.

    +Following World War Two, the CIA, Vatican, and MI6 reorganized the Prometheans and Intermarians into the openly fascist Anti Bolshevik Bloc and World Anti Communist league which welcomed former Nazis as long as they were anti Soviet too. Maidan agitator US Senator John McCain was once affiliated with the World Anti Communist League as an advisor and surely has had no qualms about his new friends in Kiev.

    Notably all these Intermarium states are predominately Roman Catholic with the exception of the Ukraine. Yet even in the heart of the Orthodox Church, the Vatican has made major inroads. A long standing campaign of Ukrainization has dispossessed the Moscow Patriarchy in favour of the Rome affiliated Easter Rite Church and Autonomous Ukrainian patriarchy. The presence of numerous priests on the front lines of the Maidan is by design not chance.

    The garbled slogans and ravings of the Ukrainian nationalists are straight from the Intermarium playbook. “We seek neither the EU nor Russia,” “Out with totalitarianism liberalism and decadent democracy!” says Dmytro Yorosh’s Right Sector paramilitaries. Yorosh who parades about under the black and red Bandera flag has been proposed as Deputy Minister in the new Ukrainian government.

    However just as Poland failed in 1920 to hold Kiev so may it fail now. Warsaw seems to have forgotten to have shared its Intermarium plan with NATO, the EU, and USA which would no doubt be shocked at the emergence of a hitherto unknown East Central European federation. And Russia remembers all too well that Polish interference in Ukraine is aimed not just at Kiev but ultimately targets Moscow with the reestablishment of a hostile Polish alliance on its western border.

    Therefore it may be a prophetic sign that on January 26, 2014, when Pope Francis released two white doves at the Vatican, in support of the “peaceful” Ukrainian protestors on the Maidan that the hapless doves were set upon almost immediately by a black crow and a white seagull. Speculation in the media was that the two emissaries of peace were presumably killed and eaten by their predatory cousins and never heard from again.

    So too may Polish imperial ambitions end in Ukraine – a dismal failure crushed between Russia and the EU. Poland has perhaps overplayed its hand yet again. Warsaw and its allies have taken Kiev, but can they pay the price?

    Jonathan Levy holds a PhD in Political Science and is an attorney member of the International Criminal Court Bar. He is adjunct faculty at Norwich University’s Diplomacy Program (Vermont) and Kaplan University’s School of Arts and Sciences. Dr. Levy is the author of The Intermarium: Wilson, Madison, & East Central European Federalism (ISBN: 978-1581123692). Dr. Levy is the chief lawer in Vatican Bank suit defending Holocaust victims from Croat Ustasha atrocities.

  53. Andy Perry says:

    We are watching a three handed game in the struggle for Ukraine. The three parties are the Saxon Axis, the Continental Germans and the Slavs. This three handed struggle has been ongoing for a more than a century.
    What is the prize?
    To represent the identity of ‘white’ people; of ‘white’ civillisation.
    The Germanic cult of Capitalism justifies itself on the basis that it is the INEVITABLE result of human development and progress- it cannot allow ANY challenge to this claim. Since Slavic society represents exactly this challenge, it must be destroyed. The Slavs represent a mortal threat to ALL German culture merely by existing as an alternative ‘white’ society. This is why Hitler classified Slavs as ‘subhuman’ and vowed to exterminate them. Just as the Saxons were forced to exterminate the Native Americans, just as the Jews are forced to exterminate the Palestinians.Just as the Saxons were forced to exterminate the British.
    Once you understand this you know that any detail in this ongoing struggle does not really matter. Historical truth does not matter. Logic and reason and even civillisation itself does not matter to the Germans. If you doubt this research the German attack on Russia in the Great Patriotic War. Research the extermination of the Native Peoples of America and the extermination of The Gaels in the Famine.
    No Geman, Saxon or Continental, can admit the truth of these things, to do so would be CULTURAL SUICIDE.
    You will not hear any German condemn the murder of communists in the Death Camps, because they were happy to see the Communists die.
    This is the only historical truth you need to know. It is incontestable.
    It is the E=MC2 of Whiteism

    http://unitedstatesofeverywhere.wordpress.com/

  54. CS says:

    @Perry
    “No Geman, Saxon or Continental, can admit the truth of these things, to do so would be CULTURAL SUICIDE.”

    Seeing as you’re in one of these groups I guess you just proved yourself wrong.

    “You will not hear any German condemn the murder of communists in the Death Camps, because they were happy to see the Communists die.”

    Any german ? So you’re saying that even the German communists are happy that communists were killed in camps ?

    Not only that but Ukraine revolution is being coordinated from America, not Europe or Russia – Nuland was picking and choosing the new leaders. Given that there are quite a few black people in the US administration, including the president, how are they engaged in a white race war ?

    Also, how is Slavic white culture an alternative to whatever Germany has – you can’t just up and convert to being Slavic, if it’s a genetic thing.

    If the white people of Germany were to suddenly choose the alternative of Eastern Orthodoxy, you couldn’t really say it was a Slavic culture any more.

    You make no sense man.

  55. dave says:

    The Ukraine Crisis – It’s the Intermarium Plan Again
    March 1, 2014
    The garbled slogans and ravings of the Ukrainian nationalists are straight from the Intermarium playbook.
    Croat Nazi leader Ante Pavelic inspecting Croatian Nazi 369th Infantry volunteers, Hrvatska Legija, in WWII along with Ukrainian 14th Waffen SS Division, the Galician Division, joined forces to kill Russians.

    By Dr. Jonathan Levy
    Political scientists attribute the Ukraine crisis to competition between Russia and the West or East Ukraine versus West Ukraine. While these simple explanations have their merits, there is much more at stake; nothing less the long planned absorption of Ukraine into the Intermarium and the break-up of Russia into toothless mini states.
    Few in the Western media or academia would know that in 1920 an opportunistic Poland sought to make Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus its own satellites and fought a brief but bloody war with the nascent Soviet Union. But after defeating the Whites, the Red Army gave its full attention to the Poles and their advances turned into reverses as they were chased all the way from Kiev and Minsk back to Warsaw by Budenny’s Red Calvary. Warsaw was saved only by the soldiering of its Polish chief of staff Pilsudski who miraculously stopped the Red Army just outside the city –otherwise Poland would have been the 16th Soviet Republic.
    The Poles never forgot their military humiliation and near annihilation of their just born state. Pilsudski who went on to be the Polish dictator developed two long range plans named the Intermarium and Promethean plans to make sure that neither Germany nor the Soviet Union would ever be able to grind Poland between them. The Promethean plan involved the breaking up of the USSR into small relatively harmless states by stirring up nationalism in Georgia, the Don and Kuban Cossacks, Ingushetia, Idel-Ural, Azerbaijan, Yakutistan, Armenia, Crimea, Karelia and Komi with the hopes of detaching them from a weak rump government at Moscow. This plan resembled something of the chaos that occurred in the early 1990s when Yeltsin could scarcely control his governors and Tatarstan and Chechnya were all but independent countries.
    The Intermarium was to be a massive concentration of power in east central Europe as a counter balance between East and West with a vast federal union of peoples stretching between the Black sea and the Baltic. The constituent states were to include Poland, the Baltic countries, Belarus, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, and Croatia – all countries with sizeable Roman Catholic populations. The Intermarium on paper at least was large and powerful enough to supplant German and Russian influence in the Balkans and beyond.
    To that end, the Polish Army absorbed the former Georgian, White Russian, Cossack and Ukrainian officer corps fleeing the USSR. But, the rise of Stalin and Hitler and Poland’s own problems with a large restive German minority quickly shelved these ambitious plans. The Promethean plan was briefly hijacked by Hitler who also sought to foment rebellion in the wartime USSR by recruiting foreign legions from among hapless POWs to be led by Nazi collaborators such as General Vlasov and the Ukrainian nationalist Bandera.
    +Following World War Two, the CIA, Vatican, and MI6 reorganized the Prometheans and Intermarians into the openly fascist Anti Bolshevik Bloc and World Anti Communist league which welcomed former Nazis as long as they were anti Soviet too. Maidan agitator US Senator John McCain was once affiliated with the World Anti Communist League as an advisor and surely has had no qualms about his new friends in Kiev.
    Notably all these Intermarium states are predominately Roman Catholic with the exception of the Ukraine. Yet even in the heart of the Orthodox Church, the Vatican has made major inroads. A long standing campaign of Ukrainization has dispossessed the Moscow Patriarchy in favour of the Rome affiliated Easter Rite Church and Autonomous Ukrainian patriarchy. The presence of numerous priests on the front lines of the Maidan is by design not chance.
    The garbled slogans and ravings of the Ukrainian nationalists are straight from the Intermarium playbook. “We seek neither the EU nor Russia,” “Out with totalitarianism liberalism and decadent democracy!” says Dmytro Yorosh’s Right Sector paramilitaries. Yorosh who parades about under the black and red Bandera flag has been proposed as Deputy Minister in the new Ukrainian government.
    However just as Poland failed in 1920 to hold Kiev so may it fail now. Warsaw seems to have forgotten to have shared its Intermarium plan with NATO, the EU, and USA which would no doubt be shocked at the emergence of a hitherto unknown East Central European federation. And Russia remembers all too well that Polish interference in Ukraine is aimed not just at Kiev but ultimately targets Moscow with the reestablishment of a hostile Polish alliance on its western border.
    Therefore it may be a prophetic sign that on January 26, 2014, when Pope Francis released two white doves at the Vatican, in support of the “peaceful” Ukrainian protestors on the Maidan that the hapless doves were set upon almost immediately by a black crow and a white seagull. Speculation in the media was that the two emissaries of peace were presumably killed and eaten by their predatory cousins and never heard from again.
    So too may Polish imperial ambitions end in Ukraine – a dismal failure crushed between Russia and the EU. Poland has perhaps overplayed its hand yet again. Warsaw and its allies have taken Kiev, but can they pay the price?
    Jonathan Levy holds a PhD in Political Science and is an attorney member of the International Criminal Court Bar. He is adjunct faculty at Norwich University’s Diplomacy Program (Vermont) and Kaplan University’s School of Arts and Sciences. Dr. Levy is the author of The Intermarium: Wilson, Madison, & East Central European Federalism (ISBN: 978-1581123692). Dr. Levy is the chief lawer in Vatican Bank suit defending Holocaust victims from Croat Ustasha atrocities.

  56. CS says:

    @Perry
    Mind you, it would be interesting for someone to ask Obama why his administration is helping neo nazis in to power. and what do the black congressmen and senators think about that ?

  57. CS says:

    @Perry
    You have a link for that ?

  58. Andy Perry says:

    @CS
    1. Not German- Gaelic
    2. Ref: ‘You’re saying that even the German communists are happy that communists were killed in camps ?’
    -I’m saying that ALL the German Communists DIED in the camps. There are no German communists now. Which proves my point
    3.Ref; ‘Given that there are quite a few black people in the US administration, including the president, how are they engaged in a white race war ?’
    a-Ho,ho,ho. Define ‘quite a few’!
    b-Africans working for apartheid;Jews inthe SS; Gaelic/Native Americans collaborating with Saxon extermination. And so on..
    c-Funny how Saxons are desperate to say Barry S is ‘black’ and not ‘white’…
    4.Ref:’If the white people of Germany were to suddenly choose the alternative of Eastern Orthodoxy, you couldn’t really say it was a Slavic culture any more.’
    a-Thank you CS, you have proved that the point is falsifiable which shows my argument is a valid one, a la Karl Popper.
    b-If the white people of Germany all convert to Eastern Orthodoxy wouldn’t this come under the title of ‘cultural suicide’? If not, what would you call it?
    5- Ref Black senators-there is no such thing as ‘black’ people, anymore than there are white people
    Is a Yoruba the same as a Zulu because they both have ‘black’ skin?
    See how your mind is crippled by Geman propaganda before you even start to try to think?
    6- Ref protestantism, propaganda, anti Pope nonsense etc. try this:
    http://unitedstatesofeverywhere.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/reflections-on-whiteism/

  59. CS says:

    @AP
    OK, you said

    “You will not hear any German condemn the murder of communists in the Death Camps, because they were happy to see the Communists die.”

    Directly implying that there is, currently, no German that will condemn the murder of communists.

    “-I’m saying that ALL the German Communists DIED in the camps. There are no German communists now. Which proves my point”

    And now you are saying that there are no german communists now.

    So out of the 80 odd million German people, you are saying that there are no communists, and nobody who thinks murdering the communists was a bad thing.

    Are you absolutely sure about this… really really sure… ?

    All it’s going to take is for me to find one German communist, and one German who thinks nazi murder of communists was a bad thing to disprove your assertion. I hope you realise this…

    Do you want your black swan stuffed or curried ?

  60. CS says:

    “You will not hear any German condemn the murder of communists in the Death Camps, because they were happy to see the Communists die.”
    “-I’m saying that ALL the German Communists DIED in the camps. There are no German communists now. Which proves my point”

    Current German communist party -
    http://www.dkp.de/

    You say the people in the DKP are all happy with the holocaust, they just respond with a shrug if you bring the subject up ?

  61. Flopot says:

    @Useless Eater

    “Neon Axis” does have a certain ring to it.

    @Common Sense

    I think you are right – we need to wait and see. The “leaked conversation” is more smoke and mirrors without some sort of confirmation. Yet such an outcome is now unlikely to happen.

    If genuine, it was stupid to release the conversation without approaching the sources first. The leakers needed confirmation and to ensure the safety of the sources.

    I thought we had definitive proof – the “third force” of snipers finally exposed. Yet now the speculation is worse than ever: it was Russian special forces; it was “Black Water” style western mercenaries; it was Maiden paramilitary snipers; it was the Berkut snipers.

    Better to take a step back, as in all things.

  62. kwazimota says:

    They have taken the show to Italy .Jesuits?

  63. Flopot says:

    @kwaz

    I think the Italians would know all about Gladio? ;)

  64. Andy Perry says:

    @CS
    Jamie Dimon SAYS he is a capitalist yet he is happy to take state handouts. He is happy to see the banks saved by the state. Is he a capitalist just because he says he is?

    If the party of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebkneckt were here today would it be calling for the same things as the pathetic remnents of the German so called ‘left’?.

    Are they Communists because they say they are?

    Do you even know who they are?

    I doubt it. You are obviously profoundly ignorant of the things of which you attempt to speak-you should do some basic research before you run your mouth off.

    Lenin and the Bolsheviks had an intense distrust bordering on contempt, for so-called German communists who supported their oligarchs in the first and second germanic wars-again something you obviously have no knowledge of.

    Those communists who did oppose the Nazi’s were systematically tortured and murdered. It is a mark of profound personal courage and honesty to die in this way. ALL Germans regarded these communists as anti German traitors- the ill informed gibberish you spout is an insult to these people. But then so is everything else about you.

    You are a testament to the German system of inculcated ignorance,crude propaganda and arrogance that allows you to make the most outrageously stupid statements. This is what the Krauts call ‘common sense’

    You try to claim that some Germans/Anglo Saxons are unhappy with the murder of communists. What is their supposed ‘unhappiness’ worth? Do you hear them calling for a full investigation and trial of all those who were complicit in the murder of communists? Do you hear them calling for an investigation of the USA and England, both of which knew these murders were going on and did nothing to protest- Churchill even going so far as to PRAISE Hitler for his attacks on communists? Do you hear them calling for damages to be paid the families of these murdered communists? For a national day of mourning for murdered communists?. Most tellingly of all, laws have been passed to prevent the persecution of Jews, Roma, homosexuals etc. There is no such law protecting the rights of Communists is there? It is still entirely legal to harass, intimidate, use the state against and even murder Communists all over the world and will continue to be so.
    Finally there is the question of the East German state- the prison built to hold degenerate, morally corrupt Nazis and their offspring. The East German state, other than being overly liberal in it’s treatment of Germans, was deficient mainly in that it did not cover all of Germany. It was then and is now, neccessary to keep Germans under control. Do you hear these so-called German communists calling for a new German national prison to be built? Because Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebkneckt certainly would-
    Get a book and read it why don’t you.
    Try this one-
    http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/312882

  65. Flopot says:

    @eMental

    Indeed. Now that we know the details of the conversation are not a hoax, then you have to ask yourself why would an Estonian official make up such claims? It is plausible to suggest that the Kiev doctor is protecting herself.

    The evidence is not a smoking gun but nor is it a risible hoax. It cannot now be dismissed. BUT what does it really tell us, even if all the contents are true? I read an opinion that is hard to refute – even if the doctor is correct (same guns killed both police and protesters) we still don’t know the origins of the gunmen.

    Penultimate verbiage – we also need to ask ourselves that if the doctor’s knowledge is insufficient, then how do we explain the source of Paet’s strong suspicions that the shooters worked for the new regime? Are there other sources?

  66. CS says:

    @AP
    “Are they Communists because they say they are?”

    Big red themed website. Communist written all over it. Called a communist party. I’d say chances are pretty good it’s where German communists go to communise.

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