The United States: Second Most Incarcerated State in History & First Country To Report More Male Rape Victims Than Female

Stacy Summary: Guards in US prisons tell prisoners to “fight or fuck.” There were 216,000 prison rape victims last year, which means that most rapes in 2011 would have happened to men. I don’t know why lawyers for the likes of Gary McKinnon, for example, don’t argue against extradition on these grounds. RAPE COMES WITH ANY PRISON SENTENCE IN AMERICA. Surely, the European Human Rights Court would reject such a sentence for the alleged crime of hacking?

Fight or Fuck

50 comments on “The United States: Second Most Incarcerated State in History & First Country To Report More Male Rape Victims Than Female
  1. Chundernuts says:

    U.S.A Number One again!

  2. rjms says:

    broke back marlboro man got a big hole in his pants

  3. Daniel S says:

    Sexual assault is one of the most effective means of causing psychological trauma with which to control someone. The threat of it controls over a billion people today.

  4. F. Beard says:

    If I was ever sent to prison and raped there they had better never let me out because I would at least kill the judge who sent me there when I got out.

    I wonder why I bother trying to save the US?

    See what God has to put up with? Should it be a surprise when He finally says “Enough!”

  5. F. Beard says:

    maybe the warden first.

  6. What-me-worry? says:

    US – a zoo of screwed up people.

  7. TJ says:

    @ FB

    I like your style….

    but you knew that ;-)

  8. JonnyJames says:

    Suicide is a far better option than go to US prison. I would choose “suicide by cop” and take out as many of them first, before they killed me. Prison is one place I will avoid even if it costs me my life. They rape you in more ways than one: CCA turns a profit from your incarceration, while you are routinely beaten and raped while prison guards make bets. This shit is Medieval. Amerka is a third world country and even worse in some cases.

  9. cowardlylion says:

    Fight or fuck 2012…!

  10. F. Beard says:

    I would choose “suicide by cop”

    That’s why I have a pistol.

    and take out as many of them first, before they killed me.

    I haven’t decided whether I should keep it loaded or not. I probably will keep it loaded just in case (not very likely!) I have to scare them into killing me.

  11. Flopot says:

    Going to prison will become a national duty in Diznazi Land – the new national service. Scream like a piggy for your country! Don’t worry, Diznazi Land is stuffed to the brim with religious dudes. They will make sure everything is fine.

  12. Waiting to die says:

    You are lucky..we’re not allowed guns.
    We have to hang ourselves the old fashioned way or stand in front of an on coming train..bit messy that one so alot of people go for a bottle of whiskey and the sleeping tablets.. but its notoriously unreliable method and you’ll often wake up in some god forsaken hell they call a hospital with liver damage
    If you really can’t face the thought of that…try walking around any city centre after 11 pm at night and quite often you’ll be lucky enough to be beaten to death for no reason what so ever by a gang of drunken yobs…..Oh you lucky bastard …you’re well out of it

  13. F. Beard says:

    @Waiting to die ,

    Hanging is a very reliable way to kill one’s self so I can only surmise that you don’t really want to die and for good reason too:

    For whoever is joined with all the living, there is hope; surely a live dog is better than a dead lion. Ecclesiastes 9:4

  14. JonnyJames says:

    @FBeard
    Yeah me too. I am lucky my father is a former combat handgun trainer. He taught me how to use every sort of gun from a very early age. He also taught me how to re-load. I always say, if you know your goin out, might as well go out with boots on and guns blazin.

    @waiting to die,
    Not to belittle anything you said, but the US has a much higher murder rate than the UK and a FAR lower imprisonment rate. At least some consolation for living in ol Blighty and not the US. But overall the US/UK are in the same boat.

  15. Waiting to die says:

    I think if you read my post again you’ll see I was referring to whiskey and pills as being unreliable not hanging but thanks anyway.

  16. F. Beard says:

    you’ll see I was referring to whiskey and pills as being unreliable not hanging

    Understood. I was referring to your pen name “Waiting to Die.”

  17. F. Beard says:

    if you know your goin out, might as well go out with boots on and guns blazin. JJ

    If all the cops had the character of say GW Bush or Alan Greenspan I would whole-heartedly agree. But as usual, the real villains hide behind the innocent.

  18. Waiting to die says:

    Yeah ..”Waiting”….not the same as ..”Wanting”

  19. F. Beard says:

    Oh, my mistake. Sorry. In that case:

    A good name is better than a good ointment, and the day of one’s death is better than the day of one’s birth. Ecclesiastes 7:1

  20. Daniel S says:

    @ F.Beard – You do realize that many people believe the same of themselves. But when you see how systemic abuse is, and have no recourse during, the anger and stress inside you poisons you and you are kept under control by others until you either die from a combination of the stress and violence, suicide, or come to some sort of understanding that settles the matter, even if you do fight off the rapists. The way you define yourself and others changes. People who you think should fight for you don’t. You realize that you were one of those people. You end up with nothing to fight for. Nothing of value for which to take revenge.

    I could just as well ask, why wait? You know people are being sent off to be raped, threatened with death by the powerful through cops, every day. Why wait until it happens to you? You have more power before it does. And the reason you won’t take action now is the same as the reason you wouldn’t afterward. There is no point. You’d simply end up suffering more and likely dying, not to mention the threat toward people who care about you. You may be willing to be tortured and killed, but you won’t think you have the right to take such risks with those who care about you. This is the tactic of organized criminals. To use your empathy against you. Invert what would normally be a strength into a weakness.

    Power does what it does through the people who do it and your job in their environment is first to not be the victim and second to persuade to retake the environment. People who think and say that they would exact revenge don’t do it, for the same reasons they don’t prevent their abuse and the abuse of others in the first place. The price is too high especially given the pointlessness of the result. The job of the abuser is to keep the price too high, and to persuade for the other side, which is exactly what they’re doing.

    Human rights are only believed in as the whimper of victims today, and so whimpers is all we’ll keep hearing, followed by continued escalations of abuse. They’re victory is in their control of culture, organization, dependency, etc.

    What is more consider the best tactics for self defense. The assaults are not prevented, they’re shifted. The best anyone can do for themselves is to be a hard target, and to not be there. Overall it does reduce crime, but it also shifts violence to someone else. Someone weaker. And society accepts this, just as society accepts sexual assault. That is where the battle is lost.

    You’re underestimating the amount of power guards have over prisoners, and how much any organism is defined by its environment. We are not objects defined merely from within, but are processes defined by both what is within and without. Depending on a violent man to bring you food while you are caged doesn’t allow for purely self-definition. People in prison who get their groins stomped on by guards, thank the guards afterward.

  21. Waiting to die says:

    The only time I get religious is when I listen to an American and I thank God I wasn’t born there.

  22. JonnyJames says:

    Or thak God you aint Tony Blair

  23. Micky says:

    Wow, what a disgusting degenerate society we have become.

    http://ericsprott.blogspot.com/

  24. F. Beard says:

    People who think and say that they would exact revenge don’t do it, for the same reasons they don’t prevent their abuse and the abuse of others in the first place. The price is too high especially given the pointlessness of the result. Daniel S

    If I thought I could do more good by avenging others than my present activities, I would do so. And let judges and prison wardens and guards be warned: there maybe an accounting in this life, not to mention a greater one in the life to come.

    But as for taking my own revenge, that is forbidden in the Bible. But in the case of rape, I might just forget that for a while.

  25. F. Beard says:

    People in prison who get their groins stomped on by guards, thank the guards afterward. Daniel S

    And so might I, for a while. But the resentment might easily resurface.

    But I would not waste my revenge on a guard should I sin and take it.

  26. Palantír says:

    As this is within the prison with criminals being and doing the raping on each other, they will not get the same amount sympathy as someone on the outside would. I think most people in their dark hidden mind do sit by silently and welcome the extra punishment the criminals get, thinking of it as an extra justice done, in the way of letting the criminals get to feel or share some of the pain the victims do. Even though we know it is wrong, it is hard to feel sorry for a criminal compared to a young innocent girl being raped, we may not even agree that a man being raped is on the same level as a female being raped. Still, all this is wrong, in a perfect world none should ever suffer rape.

    @F.Beard – “See what God has to put up with?” – Ah! but which God? There are so many.

  27. alan says:

    Rape in prison is used like the “rats in Orwells 1984″ its all about Control and fear and what Daniel S said.

  28. F. Beard says:

    As this is within the prison with criminals being and doing the raping on each other, they will not get the same amount sympathy as someone on the outside would. Palantir

    I had in mind non-violent, non-predatory “criminals” such as drug users and people who can’t pay their debts.

    Ah! but which God? There are so many. Palantir

    Life is a test.

  29. F. Beard says:

    Rape in prison is used like the “rats in Orwells 1984″ its all about Control and fear and what Daniel S said. alan

    That won’t work with “true believers” especially if they can preclude retribution via suicide.

  30. Alf says:

    Rape demeans all humanity…as a species we still have a long way to go.

  31. stacyherbert says:

    @Palantír – say what? first of all, the article points out that only Stalin’s gulags imprisoned more than the American prison industrial complex; most prisoners in America are in for non-violent offenses – including copyright infringement – and often for many decades for something that would get you perhaps a year in most European countries; furthermore, the data from the justice dept points out that many of the rapes are actually committed by the prison guards, this is against international human rights conventions, if you are incarcerating anyone whether an enemy or a criminal, there are basic human rights you must provide them with

  32. Apocalypto says:

    “If I was ever sent to prison and raped there they had better never let me out because I would at least kill the judge who sent me there when I got out.” – F. Beard

    Thou shalt not kill. Or are you not a Bible “true believer”?

  33. F. Beard says:

    Thou shalt not kill. Or are you not a Bible “true believer”? Apocalypto

    Well, I would probably justify it as the prevention of future injustices UNLESS I had been sent to prison for a truly deserving crime.

    A non-Christian should not think that Christians are totally predictable because of, you know, all those “contradictions” in the Bible. For instance, I might read about Samson and decide the judge was a Philistine that needed killing.

  34. F. Beard says:

    Then Samson called to the LORD and said, “O Lord GOD, please remember me and please strengthen me just this time, O God, that I may at once be avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.” Samson grasped the two middle pillars on which the house rested, and braced himself against them, the one with his right hand and the other with his left. And Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” And he bent with all his might so that the house fell on the lords and all the people who were in it. So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he killed in his life. Judges 16:28-30 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    Note that Sampson prayed for his own vengeance and it was granted to him.

  35. Palantír says:

    @stacyherbert – yes agree, What I was trying to say was that in the same way as when you think of the words crime and violence, your mind associate those worlds with street crime, robbing, beating, murder and so on. But as Ralph Nader says, we do not associate it with corporate crimes which is far worse and far bigger, wide spread hurting many more.
    The same way goes for criminals and prisons, we don’t automatically associate that with those unfortunate getting caught steeling a bubble gum, or computer nerd hackers or non-violent offences as you write, we think of cold blooded murderers, robbers, Mafioso and so on.
    So we don’t manage to give our sympathies to the rape victims in the prisons in the same way as we do to those outside of the prison, because we think they are not innocent, we may even think they deserve it.
    I’m not saying it is right and I hope it changes.
    It is scary to see how lightly the hollywood industry ridicules and normalizes rape in the jail in the US.

  36. F. Beard says:

    It is scary to see how lightly the hollywood industry ridicules and normalizes rape in the jail in the US.

    More evidence that LA might be “Babylon the Great”. Sitting on a major fault is convenient too.

  37. alan says:

    The gaurds, or anyone else in prison will pick a target that is less likely to inflick a deadly wound on them, their family or friends. In other words the powerless or those with an aversion to violence.

  38. Flopot says:

    @Palantir

    Don’t forget the innocent people that have been plonked into prison. It should be the duty of all prison staff to safe guard their prisoners. The prisoners are being dehumanised.

    But then Diznazi Land is real good at dehumanizing huge sections of society.

  39. wauhoo says:

    Very, very disturbing story.

  40. F. Beard says:

    The prisoners are being dehumanised. Flopot

    Correct. The purpose of penitentiaries was to lead to repentance, not further harden criminals.

    The Old Testament has only a few punishments: 40 lashes for some offenses and stoning to death for others but NO long term imprisonment. Give me that instead of the present system if I am to be punished.

  41. Sven says:

    Victims in juvenile facilities, or facilities for women, have an even tougher time: usually it’s the guards, rather than the inmates, who coerce them into sex. The guards tell their victims that no one will believe them, and that complaining will only make things worse. This is sound advice: even on the rare occasions when juvenile complaints are taken seriously and allegations are substantiated, only half of confirmed abusers are referred for prosecution, only a quarter are arrested, and only 3 percent end up getting charged with a crime.

    In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That’s 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.

    Only male prisoners get raped?

  42. I_Cant_Believe_Its_Just_a_Dip says:

    @Daniel S, deep post about control elements-keep it up dude!

    Would banksters get sent to softer less rape risk prisons-what about all the ones in the 1980′s that were caught where did they go?
    Here’s Bernie..
    http://nymag.com/news/crimelaw/66468/
    hanging out here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Complex,_Butner
    ”He also noted that Madoff’s crimes were “off the charts” since federal sentencing guidelines for fraud only go up to $400 million in losses”
    If Madeoff’s crimes were off the charts being over $400 million whats that make Goldman Sucks, The Morgue, MF global, John Corzine and all the rest of the usual suspects ?

  43. evolutis says:

    The dynamics of imprisonment, source out to the monetary system.
    15 very capable commentaries and not 1 makes the obvious connection ???

    The monetary religion has it’s genesis as an … “idea” for the maintenance of kings.

    Are there no “fresh ideas”? Who condemns ideas? … a prison of some sort!
    The dynamics of war, source out to the monetary system.
    The dynamics of taxation, source out to the monetary system.
    The dynamics of politics, source out to the monetary system.
    The dynamics of peak oil, source out to the monetary system.
    The dynamics of imprisonment of ideas, source out to the monetary system.
    The dynamics of tripling this wanton list source out to the monetary system.

    I think we sell ourselves short if we refuse to acknowledge our capabilities of solving problems by the transfer of accurate information.

    The dynamics of misinformation, source out to the monetary system.

    Surely someone can come up with an IDEA … a starting point far outside the monetary religion … or is it back behind the invisible bars?

  44. F. Beard says:

    Surely someone can come up with an IDEA … a starting point far outside the monetary religion … evolutis

    Common stock as money:

    1) Common stock as money requires no borrowing or lending. Assets and labor would simply be bought with new stock issue. Thus no PMs, usury, or fractional reserves are required. This is a huge benefit since PMs, usury (see Deuteronomy 23:19-20) and fractional reserves are all problematic.
    2) All price inflation is born by the owners of the corporation since every receiver of the new common stock money is by definition a part owner of the corporation. This is an important moral consideration.
    3) Without fractional reserves or even lending, then deflation is not a serious threat.
    4) Since all money holders are part owners of the corporation then they could vote on how much new money is issued and for what purposes. Thus price inflation is under the control of only those affected by it.
    5) The assets of a corporation are typically performing assets though PMs could easily be accommodated too.
    6) Common stock as money shares wealth at the same times as it consolidates it for purposes of economies of scale. Labor problems should be non-existent since the workers would be paid in common stock and thus be part owners. The number of those with a stake in capitalism would increase. The need and desire for socialism should decrease.

  45. evolutis says:

    Outside the monetary belief “capitalism” and “socialism” would be empty and meaningless terms; exposed for what they are, monetary issued misinformation to facilitate the maintenance of kings. Socialism within the monetary religion is a top down nightmare. Capitalism does not thrive on free trade; it has a built in MO to sidestep the rules. Outside the monetary cult Monsanto would perhaps have merit.

    IMO it’s one thing to set the harsh evidence of the money, politics, religion, contagion aside to find [false]solace in the rule of law and the sanctity of individual liberty. It’s an altogether different thing to claim economics has any relationship to the natural order of things like autonomy, purpose, mastery and yes individual liberty. To claim that the god of money has this special relationship to those who have just enough money to protect themselves, while the vast, majority who have little, or no money are of little or absolutely no consequence.

    You have excellent research skills, but your plan seems to fall far short of the runway even if we isolate on the very tiny segment of prisons. A job for money, even for a highly trained surgeon does not compute to far out into the future. Those without jobs will end up in prison.

    If I constantly lie to you, we can form an entanglement; we cannot have a relationship. You cannot build on the misinformation of a failed system … like a good jazz musician you have the autonomy to play not what is there but rather, what isn’t there.
    “Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.” Albert Einstein

  46. I_Cant_Believe_Its_Just_a_Dip says:

    @evolutis, you push this to the next level of understanding thats appreciated,
    ‘You cannot build on the misinformation of a failed system’ , when mathematicians build up complex equations they must include all of the variables and constants from the beginning or else the final simplified formula may look great but of course it will produce absolute rubbish and always will, am reminded of the MSM- they work on another concept that produces the same results i.e. feed inaccurate info in and get even more inaccurate ‘info’out.The formula is us of course and the scary thing is even though it may start off functioning correct, the brain is steadily reprogrammed and rewired so in the end even feeding accurate info in is going to produce spurious and inaccurate garbage at the exit side(from our mouths!) This I guess is utter brainwashing control of society and Hitler exhibited this to a higher level than no other.

    I am willing to bet that the banksters have come up with such powerful complex equations (probably using econophysics techniques) that so control the world’s markets prices that they feel themselves as nr Gods. And untouchable at that, if this is true then I eagerly await the ‘quantum like’ unlikeliness (and probably unforseen) outcomes such complex equations can produce. Never before in history has such market manipulation been implemented, the equations work but do not produce exact answers, unpredictable things can happen. Am reminded of the state change from order to chaos within chaos theory-nobody knows when its about to happen.

  47. evolutis says:

    @ I_Cant_Believe_Its_Just_a_Dip … thanks for your interesting take

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