I wish Alex Jones were more modest. Maybe then he would appeal to the masses… and people would actually listen to what he says!
Go the ATF !! Remember Waco Texas.
I dont understand the surprise. Its only been going on for 200 years or so.
these corporate individuals have family to feed!
in the name of the Lord please give them a break!
Most Australians are unarmed. I wish I weren’t.
Those guns look like fun, plus I’d actually get to use my arms for something other than typing.
ATF, the name basically states that the government has a monopoly on the traffic of alcohol, tobacco and firearms? I think that’s what it means….
not to change the subject put this could explain why ” Viking Boy” gone ape?
If it’s on CNN then it must be true.
This comes as absolutely no surprise. The US hand weapons to rebel Al Qaidi members in Libya. It hands weapons to the Taliban which are then used on the Afghan people. It supports ring-wing uprisings against socialist leaders in Chile, El Salvador and Cuba. It supplies arms to Somalia at the hate of famine. None of this comes as a surprise. But hey, at least Jones has pointed to something of mild interest!
Jones has done a decade or so of informing, but where is his list of actions people can take to defend themselves???
Yap, yap, yap, blah, blah, blah………
Ya, we get it, there’s bad stuff going on every day.
So what now? More yap yap yap?
I was just thinking if these people just keep yapping I’ll be long dead of old age before anything is fixed.
Hell, I’ve been protesting this government crap since the 70’s!!!!
You poor person. Like you I am sick of the hyperbolic inanity of Jones and his henchmen. It is simple to criticise the system as it stands; much more difficult to conceive of a better one. Moreover, Jones resorts to the most awful fact twisting around – almost as bad as the corporate media but in reverse. I come here to read god financial stories and to hear good political analysis. What I like most about Max and Stacy is that they do not have to fold everything in upon itself. They do not advocate a congealing truth structure, nor do they allow religion to enter into their arguments. I respect them because of this. My past experience of Jones has revealed to me that he is a very arrogant man and a man embittered by any new ideas (his debate with Peter Joseph being a good case in point). Moreover, if you dare to contradict his official homology, you are rubbished, screamed at, verbally abused and dismissed. There is nothing democratic in that. Still, it takes all types to make a world.
*Correction, I do not come to read ‘god’ financial stories. Though if any exist, do pass them around!
Sell your kids to play online games.. http://abcnewsradioonline.com/world-news/chinese-couple-sells-all-three-kids-to-play-online-games.html
@ Mother Earth
Baudrillard’s simulacra and simulation becomes ever more ‘real’ as time passes. Some are falling for the hyperreality and selling their non-virtual freedom for virtual servitude.
This makes me sad.
Hey what’s tha big deal here? ‘merka don’t export nothing except for subsidized BigAg producst, Hollywood propaganda and WEAPONS. That’s what US does – it supplies weapons to the world’s most vile criminals and criminal regimes (birds of a feather and all that). You know, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Colombia, Bahrain, Egypt and so on. Just keeping up the tradition, nothing new.
@OP my sentiments exactly about Jones. Max and Stacy are the best
i cant wait to see the mess that starts if obama tries to flote his gun control plan with this hanging over the debate, cant wait to see what the nra has to say at that point.
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”–Second Amendment to the Constitution of the US
If the right to bear arms was for ‘the people, the People’, then why did Alexander Hamilton call the militia against the Pennsylvanian insurgency?
“Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint.”–AlexanderHamilton
‘Necessary to the security of a free state’- free for whom? Was the constitution a mercantilist contract? Are we seeing history replay, or are the new rebels merely misled by mercantile interests? In the replay of the Whiskey Rebellion; whose interests trump? What constitutes tyranny? Isn’t tyranny the abolition of bonds between man and nature as dictated by the uber-corporate/capital?
Did anyone ever really find happiness as dictated to be a right in America? Is it okay to impinge on others in an attempt to ‘chase and net the butterfly happy’? Is happiness the right to destroy at whim that to which one needs find belonging? Is happiness the inability to voice opinion unless wearing the cheerleading uniform of Facebook or a corporate sponsor? If we pull off the petals of the flower, will we cry when the essence has no fragrance?
Alex Jones is only right because he’s not left.
Alex may not be perfect guys, but take a look at the alternative……………………..Z
“…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness…”
You have to conclude indeed that USA’s real name United Satans of America. Yeah it’s a demonic country in full right. Iranians to call USA Grand Satan. It’s true.
Article link from AJ site
Is the Czech President Vaclav Klaus a Templer and a hidden cell in a pan-European rebellion against Enviro-Communism among other things? Or is he just right on the AGW scam?
Opponents may call him a nut, but they have no choice but to call him CORRECT!
Yup, let’s have the TSA harass and molest anyone who wants to fly, but leave the USA-Mexican border wide open for people/drugs/guns and even the Mexican army to cross back and forth at will. War on terror? HAhahaha, yeah right!
WW 2 never ended. Remember the Zimmerman Telegram. That goal has been accomplished. In the interest of national security, will Mexico please remove its 30 million person civilian army from the USA.
ATF was in on the Oklahoma City bombing. Didn’t show for work. For warned.
NAFTA was the biggest bomb the United States dropped on Mexico. US banksters were the next screwing their economy. If the immigrants are streaming over the border, it was planned. Whoever sent those guns over the border should be rotting in prison.
And you can bet the CIA/Mossad/MI6 are in on the drug business in that country. They travel in packs.
“Jones has done a decade or so of informing, but where is his list of actions people can take to defend themselves???
Yap, yap, yap, blah, blah, blah………” Oky1
I find it hard to believe that anyone who has given a decent to listen to AJ can come to that conclusion. He continuously fires off solutions:
-anything to do with self-sufficiency (PM, storable food, firearms, solar, etc)
-infowar (darkness melts under light)
-living upright, moral, happy lives (that is a key win against psycho parasites and my personal favorite methodology)
Happiness is not a goal with any reasonable outcome.
I have a problem with the creator and endowments idea as well. But, frankly, words can and have been used by the US government to condone whatever, whenever, and wherever the interest of the hour is made in forwarding the same-old egoistic crap at the expense of whomever, whenever, and wherever the desire and will is targeted.
Has it worked?
The problem in America right now is the force of the white folks in ringing in the wagons round the campfire of liquidity to force/fault the ‘other’ out. At least round here it is. And they’re not even very smart in the doing. They believe the force of arms and the flag are motivation and rectitude and forget that those armaments are meant for men of reason and compassion.
I read PP most everyday.
If he thinks want he’s yapping about is even half azz important, he should also think it’s important enough to write his list of what he thinks the solutions/actions are & post them on a link on the side of his site for everyone to read.
Notice his (Fatherland Security) TSA boycott has been a big flop so far. (To bad)
Until then it’s just more daily yapping from AJ.
>>Alex may not be perfect guys, but take a look at the alternative……………………..Z <<
You're right, but I'm off & shopping for a solutions guy!
Those solutions of AJ’s are all safe/desirable for the establishment:
– self-sufficiency = waste your money buying things from your corporate masters
– infowar: what does that mean? Visiting the website and staying hermetically sealed, or does it mean go out and talk to everyone, actively spreading truth beyond the already-converted?
– ‘living upright, moral, happy lives': we already are doing all those things! The problem isn’t with ‘us’, it’s with ‘THEM’
My litmus test for anyone, but especially including politicians and public persons is the following: are they encouraging people to protest, or not? Are they focused on actions, or is it entirely on elaboration of how things are bad? Are they still trying to work this out using the tools of the system?
I have seen (and continue to see) so much shocking truth that frankly, I don’t need more exposes on corruption, abuse of power, murder, rape, and torture. AJ is useful in that he helps uncover more truth, and he certainly has a lot of guts in doing it, so for all that I am thankful to him, but I am puzzled by his lack of satisfying conclusions. Maybe he figures he really would be a dead man if he were to push for protests or other possibly effective actions?
I had my own list going on my other PC so as it made it easy to add too the list & cut/paste & post, but one of these websites/malware/something blew the hell out of it & this new one I’ve got is a piece crap for write/videos.
A couple of OTs:
What is happiness? Is it a cultural construct? Is it a fleeting illusion? Is it evolutionarily programmed? something else?
Operation Dumb & Dumber
I do not always agree with Alex Jones, but he is one of the very few that bring issues out to view. He has a good mixture of interesting guests. Would be nice if he would not interrupt them, but these people would not be seen otherwise.
Alex is not off base with his thinking. There are a group of psychopaths taking over the planet. They also go out into space. The things he touches on are only the tip of the ice burg, but at least he gets these issues out. Don’t know if he is hired help or not. I appreciate his take on things.
– self-sufficiency. Preserving/growing one’s wealth and taking steps to insure against disaster are not acts of a slave. Further, there are plenty of companies operating under free market principles that provide said goods and services. I do not, in any way, feel enslaved by my gold/silver dealer; rather, I’m quite happy they are providing the service!
-infowar. clearly AJ encourages everyone to spread the word. He and his listeners are not merely preaching to the choir–this is evidenced by his growth curve over the years. That is, if it were mere preaching to the choir then this thread on MKC wouldn’t even exist.
-living well. Personally I am skeptical of many political solutions and activism. I believe the greatest effect we can make is in our personal lives with family and friends (especially young people)–it is a long-term perspective of building a better world.
Well, Jonny, I think happiness is trusting nature and man in harmony. We take a path because of the constructs thrust upon us. But, it seems someone linked Frost recently:
“And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back. 15
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.”
Seems to me that what we build on this earth- the empires, fame, fortune, glory-are all vanity. Even tears are a vanity. But living close to one another in trust and caring for the planet like it were our own kin: now that’s real happiness.
You see it. You see it in the way loving parents care for their children.
We aren’t there yet. Most people running fast like lemmings off-cliff-side; but I got faith. It’s coming.
It’s coming because nature is finding her own balance. Man’s madness seems part of the plan. Change is finding her own way.
People are afraid of the scenarios they play in their minds. They’re moving fast to hold tight to dust.
Jonny: look at it this way. We’re born here, and from birth we find ways to make each other unhappy. After awhile, we get to the point we don’t need any help: we make our own-selves miserable. Now is running off in pursuit of misery a constitutional right?
Or is trying to understand what man’s place is here on this orb more sensible?
Because we were not born here for man or for some literary construct. That’s a fact.
He’s right but not about AGW being a fraud?
Y’all gonna go-on-bout it, Scooter?
Ain’t. Steller do tawlk some fine-shit.
Yep. Do-knot undeestand no-thang she spouts.
Like a fountain.
Like a hose a-dwibblin’ downhill. Do-need to shutsit.
Mizz. Stacy do sound sweet.
Thatd-be moonshine, Cleetus. (HAHAHAHA)
I now see where you are coming from. Food for thought.
Nice music link
My great-uncle who was a gold miner used to play this on the fiddle:
If you get attacked by someone, you can either run away and try to protect yourself from the next attack (eg: spending time and money figuring out how to protect oneself from pollution and radiation caused by the government’s insane abuse of power) OR you can decide to fight back against your aggressors (eg: encourage massive protests).
Defensive measures ‘make sense’ and can be argued for, and in the absence of anyone calling for effective offensive measures, all by yourself you feel like you have nothing left but to defend yourself at best you can – IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR A LEADER TO LIMIT THINGS TO ONLY DEFENSE!
Are you going to bunker down and give them time to attack you again, or are you going to stand up and fight for your rights? ‘Fight’ is a large word: lazy Americans just need to peacefully protest and it’s game over. 3% of America protesting = 10 million people, so it really would not take much, a’ight?
Collective and individual actions need not be exclusive.
As to mass protest, will that work? I don’t know, maybe.
Did it work in Cairo? From what I’ve gathered, no; it is “new boss = old boss”. (though Max may say different)
Has it worked in Greece? Thus far: no.
For the US, I don’t see anything like that happening until things get as bad as in the above countries. And even if it does, what are the chances of of gathering large numbers into DC to unite along a single idea?
Not likely. UNLESS, there is first a successful INFOWAR. It is the Idea that will win; it is the awakening process that will lead to victory.
At this point, I believe the country is still too divided in the left/right system. When enough wake up beyond that system, then, maybe, something like you’re suggesting would be possible.
“As to mass protest, will that work? I don’t know, maybe.”
-> Geez – the US was born in revolt against its British masters, and you have no idea if mass protest can work?
That revolt only worked for a little while, evidently, since the bankers were quick to re-establish their evil dominion, but success IS POSSIBLE. Not trying at all, holding back from suggesting solutions that have worked in the past and are likely to work now is what a Troll does.
Keep arguing for your great AJ’s avoidance of protests, keep on implying that protesting is pointless, when in fact the US didn’t stop bombing Vietnam (to look at more recent history) ’till mass protests helped force the issue.
Especially considering how today, when even the relatively wealthy small business owners are starting to notice how the system is not even geared for them, there is a real chance for MASSIVE PROTESTS.
And yet you keep arguing against protests…
FYI, I don’t bother with trolls unless I figure the greater public will benefit from it. As such, I probably won’t reply to your next attempt to argue against protests.
Trolls are never a bother unless one attempts a crossing:
Twarn’t me. Wuz Cleetus who snapp-t Mizz. Humpfree.
Where is he, Abigail?
Done gone home. Sumthang bout lolleepops and snail kites. He do be sweet on Mizz. Stacy.
Who is Mizz. Stacy, Abigail?
She do be the purtee ladee on the internetz. Cleetus was a’lookin’ over-the-showldur like on Steller.
Who is Steller, Abigail?
Steller do be a gal who lives in Oz.
Yep. Them rednecks and me, we’uns all live thare.
Abigail. Have you been taking any pills left lying around the house?
No’m. It do be so. And Cleetus done gotz the love fur nature now dues-to Mizz. Stacy and the CO-two.
Cat got yur tongue?
Hoot hoot! Ur on fire tonight Frances, the trolls must turn in before sunrise and I believe Scandinavian folklore has it that lightening scares them away2.
Hope this one was ok,maybe u saw it,
This is a act of treason. The trial will show us that WE are the criminals for believing there is anything illegal or treasonous going on. ;(
Acourse he’s right him and his guest are probably right 85% of time which is usually a bad thing