Growth Takes Toll on China’s Environment as Accidents Double

Stacy Summary: We’ll get a lot of shrieking newbies for posting this, but here is Bloomberg piece on the doubling of environmental accidents in China in first six months of the year including a chemical spill that killed enough fish to feed 72,000 people for a year. **Update** China’s Three Gorges dam close to limit as ‘once in 10,000 year flood’ continues

42 comments on “Growth Takes Toll on China’s Environment as Accidents Double
  1. Mike/Liverpool says:

    Morning Stacy
    Mike

  2. Mongo says:

    Good morning/day.

    Nice to see China getting up to pace with the rest of the world.

  3. philippa says:

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  4. Chundernuts says:

    Yet we continue to buy the cheap shoddy toxic crap produced there with no concern for the damage done.
    Rather like the toxic crap the bankster scum produce.

  5. Gordo says:

    From the article the fuck up James Rogers Sates

    ““The government is starting to spend huge amount of money cleaning up the air, and cleaning up the water,” Jim Rogers, who co-founded the Quantum Hedge Fund in 1970, said from Singapore. “It’s going to lead to higher cost, just as it does everywhere in the world. A clean smelter is more expensive than a dirty smelter.””

    No James the fuck Rogers it is flat out fraudulent accounting that allows capitalism to externalize costs to the environment.

    Do you get james the fuck Rogers???? The same fuck that choses to live in Singapore because Hong Kong is too polluted.

  6. What-me-worry? says:

    Off-topic@ronron

    My guess is: 2. He’s “picking his battles” and not wanting to have to deal with the inevitable conspiracy theory stigma that could threaten his media access

    On topic re: China. Non story – inevitability.

  7. ronron says:

    another fuck up in the gulf and a huge oil spill heading for lake michigan,

  8. Adam C says:

    Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water
    http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html

  9. What-me-worry? says:

    @Gordo: JR is correct. HK is too polluted and has been for many years. Two bottles (75cl x 2) of locally made HK San Mig put me in hospital with mercury poisoning back in the early eighties.

    Today HK is like some parts of the UK were in the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties and sixties (i.e. full of smog) when the wind is low.

    The air in HK was OK in the eighties – but not the local produced SM beer!

    Then came Shenzen.

  10. Adam C says:

    @ronron

    Everyone should be extremely suspicious of wikileaks, especially donators (of which I am one).

    John Young/Cryptome on AJ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70pmhZHy6eQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3XE448dfXA

  11. Mother Earth says:

    Uhm, probably the tip of the iceberg that is..

  12. Fiatmentalist says:

    The broad sweep of AGW diverts from the on going true disaster that is the destruction of the enviroment. Global warming, all 0.2 degrees of it, has so far made zero species extinct, corporate stripping and polluting of the planet has brought on this extinction level event. Details?

    Bring up the topic of the enviroment and watch everyone happily argue against each other, guess thats the point.

  13. Marc Authier says:

    Bah no problemo. Anyways it will make more bodies to empty and sell the organs. Organ transplant brokering is booming. China is runned by shits. A lot like the USA in sum.

  14. Marc Authier says:

    We need a nuclear accident like Tchernobyl to control population.
    Presidet Tao.

    Yeah that’s what I thinl about the scum in Bejing. And Obanana also.

  15. Mother Earth says:

    @Adam C

    Wikileaks is a conduit. I beleave they leave plausibility to be decided by those that review the content they disclose.

  16. Youri Carma says:

    What I’ve learned from the market bubbles by Todd Harrison (MarketWatch) http://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-ive-learned-from-the-market-bubbles-2010-07-28?pagenumber=1

    Let me say that Todd Harrison learned absolutely nothing. He mentions the Dutch Tulip Mania as if he knows someting about history but fials to mention what the exact solution was namely letting it go bankrupt as soon as possible to go on with a healthy economy somthing what should have happened with Wall Street.

    Than he goes on about this crises as something magical or organic saying that it transformed like a virus from Wall Street to main street. Bogus! It was a Wall Street heist vorking over the money from the taxpayer to the terrorist bankster sector everyone can see that now. Nothing organic about that.

    The real Virus is the racket formed by the MSM, Wall Street and the big brother government feeding us with this kinda bogus stories. They think your stupid and gullible enough to tell you what happened. “Oh, what if we didn’t save Wall Street, Oh than it would be anarchy and families on the street”. What a lot of balony and Todd Harrison is living in such high ivory tower were he can’t see that there are families living on the street right now.

    What a jerk.

  17. Adam C says:

    @Mother Earth

    A conduit for information, misinformation and disinformation.

  18. F. Beard says:

    We’ll get a lot of shrieking newbies for posting this, … Stacy

    I doubt you’ll hear many defend true pollution. However, CO2 is not a pollutant which is why so many of your fans disagree.

    Stacy, do you and Max have to fly down to New Zealand to do your show? And if instead you are cloned could you run off a copy for me? Thanks.

  19. PaulH from Scotland says:

    @Stacey

    I’m guessing that you may characterise me as a ‘shrieking newbie’, despite my somewhat irregular postings over the last year or so.

    As a keen reader (and appreciator) of your financial analyses,I tend only to post a comment when you wander into AGW worship.

    Having been a past member of the Green party and being personally involved in many Greenpeace direct actions (dioxins being released into local communities via night-time incinerations of plastics and the albatross devastation arising from long-line fishing of blue-fin tuna in the Southern Pacific), I am acutely aware that you are conflating anti-environmentalism with scepticism about man-made global warming.

    More and more environmentalists are waking up to the hijacking of their cause by vested financial interests. My genuine hope is that you will too.

  20. Nat says:

    @ronron

    What I make of it is that many conspiracy theorists are very religious in their views, arrogantly ‘I am right, you are wrong’.

    For someone like Julian Assange to be effective in what he does, he needs to be more open minded, flexible in his thoughts, to pay more attention to the effects of his own actions rather than being desperate to preach.

    Comes down to self-confidence in the end – if you have confidence, you don’t feel the need for everyone to be on your side (or to slate others for not following your ‘religion’).

  21. jimmy chen says:

    come china, rive on de edge.

  22. Nat says:

    @ F Beard,

    What is a pollutant? Sure CO2 is found in the air anyway but so is carbon monoxide and ozone and radon. Heavy metal deposits also occur naturally in some water flows because of the rocks the water may have filtered down through. Sulphur is very abundant naturally in volcanic areas, dumping it into rivers and killing all life.

    Pollution is man-made imbalances of elements and compounds. If man is increasing the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere, then that is pollution.

    Of course, pollution semantically only applies in the negative, regarding its effects.

  23. stacyherbert says:

    @F.Beard – I have never stated that carbon dioxide is a pollutant (like ddt or pesticides); I have said it is a greenhouse gas and several hundred million school children can demonstrate this fact for you; of course we do not fly to New Zealand to do our show

    @PaulH from Scotland – everything from food and water (see Adam C’s link to several states in US banning collection of rain water) have been hijacked by ‘vested financial interests,’ it is, as we have pointed out over and over and over and over again that we live in a neo-feudal society and feudal lords always consolidate wealth and power through their power to tax and collect tolls on the very basics of human life; just prior to the French revolution, the peasant farmers were horribly abused with the ever-increasing number of tolls they had to pay on the way into the market; and I posit that food and water are far more immediately critical to human life, you can only go three days without water and perhaps 30 days without food and yet, have you given up either of these? if not, why not? if you are against corporate hijacking, neo-feudal tolls, then why are you buying into their fraud? and if you are continuing to eat and drink water then really you have no right to accuse those who wish not to have a building greenhouse effect of something you yourself are guilty of

  24. F. Beard says:

    @Stacy,

    I would take the CO2 scare more seriously if that crowd proposed sensible alternatives to fossil fuels such as nuclear. France gets about 80% of its electrical power from nukes; the US gets most of its from coal. So I am inclined to think that C02 is not the real issue; energy use is. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the elites who think the planet can support their lifestyles but not that of the rest of us.

    I’m glad to hear you don’t have to fly around to do your show.

  25. stacyherbert says:

    @F.Beard – what does one have to do with the other? climate has always been an issue for human beings, some areas have been uninhabitable due to climate and inventions like air conditioning and heating have made these habitable; the fact that those inventions had not come along did not mean that the climate didn’t exist; unless you’re French

    Here is an experiment we can all try at home too:

  26. F. Beard says:

    Pollution is man-made imbalances of elements and compounds. Nat

    The imbalance in our society is caused by government backed fractional reserve banking which requires exponential growth just so the interest can be paid. It is based on fraud and theft of purchasing power from all money holders including the poor. Let those who are concerned about the environment be concerned about that and maybe the world could experience genuine, sustainable growth without grinding poverty and useless wars.

  27. F. Beard says:

    @Stacy,

    I know the CO2 scare is plausible since it used to worry me too but it is just not so simple as you might suppose. For instance, CO2′s effect on heating is logarithmic so it takes increasing amounts of CO2 for a given temperature rise. I’ve read that CO2 is producing just about as much heating as it can. To get the other side of the story, I suggest Anthony Watt’s http://wattsupwiththat.com/.

  28. F. Beard says:

    The first to plead his case seems right, until another comes and examines him. Proverbs 18:17

  29. What-me-worry? says:

    Weren’t there a lot of foreign corporations/companies employed to design and construct the dam in China?

    And Bloomberg tells us China has SO many accidents causing the erosion of the planet.

    Utter bollocks.

  30. PaulH from Scotland says:

    @Stacey

    ‘…everything from food and water (see Adam C’s link to several states in US banning collection of rain water) have been hijacked by ‘vested financial interests,’ it is, as we have pointed out over and over and over and over again that we live in a neo-feudal society and feudal lords always consolidate wealth and power through their power to tax and collect tolls on the very basics of human life; just prior to the French revolution, the peasant farmers were horribly abused with the ever-increasing number of tolls they had to pay on the way into the market;’

    I acknowledge and agree.

    ‘.and I posit that food and water are far more immediately critical to human life, you can only go three days without water and perhaps 30 days without food and yet, have you given up either of these? if not, why not? if you are against corporate hijacking, neo-feudal tolls, then why are you buying into their fraud? and if you are continuing to eat and drink water then really you have no right to accuse those who wish not to have a building greenhouse effect of something you yourself are guilty of’.

    I have NO idea what point you’re attempting to make here Stacey. Yes, history tells us that the the elite consistantly screw the little guy, and yes it sucks that food and water are now subject to modern-day hijacking.

    My point is that they’re trying to add CO2 to the ‘screw-em’ list, and I’m fighting against that.

    I remain somewhat flabbergasted that smart folk like yourselves and Max can’t see through the flakey ‘arguments from authority’ for AGW.

    Can I just check that you are aware that almost all parties agree that CO2 emissions will only add around 1.2 degrees celcius to global temperatures (due to the logarithmic effects of CO2), and all ‘catastophic’ rises above this figure are based upon highly questionable ans simplistic models that didn’t predict the last decade of non-warming? And that it’s been warmer before? And that CO2 levels have been much higher before?

    I can only assume that the position you’ve adopted, which may be based upon an emotional commitment ‘to do the right thing for the planet’ is keeping you from critically examining the science behind the scare stories.

    If that’s the case, I totally understand. I was there myself until about a year ago. As a lifelong environmentalist, it was an achingly painful experience to realise that the people who’s environmental views I had trusted for decades were scaremongering needlessly.

  31. Illinois brandon says:

    Stacy,
    The world would be alot harder on the US if it had disasters like these in China. Do we agree? The US is a selfish nation I will give the world that.

  32. jimmy chen says:

    we a doomed. we just a keep on a destroying de air, water and our bodies. you all screwed, me too. may as well party like it 1999. dat was a weference to prince. you should all just stop working and eat from garbage cans. da food is just as good

  33. stacyherbert says:

    @PaulH – I could give a flying f*^& about doing the right thing for the planet, what do I care if a carcass is left behind? based on my family history, at most I have 46 years left, none of the models suggest I have anything much to worry about before senility sets in; on a day to day basis it does annoy me to no end that I have to inhale exhaust all day just so some shriekers can have their two minutes of hate for Al Gore (and while they are hating him, of course, the thieves are walking out with the furniture behind them); the deniers are apparently free to spew exhaust all they want, but god forbid someone wants the freedom to breathe fresh air, as soon as they even dream of it, they get:

    As I myself am not a campaigner nor a scientist, I do not take any side in the ‘debate;’ I have joined no group on either side and campaign for nobody but myself; I only observe and then look at scientific data as discussed in any journals I might read and I have seen and read opinion from both sides and, after automatically discarding any data coming from anyone who believes the earth is only a few thousand years old, none of the anti-climate changers have convinced me anything other than that they either a) fear progress and new technologies or b) work for House of Saud / House of Bush one way or other

    because I could care less whether the earth heats up ‘only’ 1 point something degrees C or 6 or whatever degrees C, for I am sure, the Earth itself could care even less whether or not we are here, I would be equally content to discover that our carbon dioxide and methane emissions were bringing happiness and joy and perfect harmony and balance to nature

    I also notice one side of this climate change vs none is that one side is far, far more emotional and irrational than the other, at least it seems that way; and perhaps for this it is hard to hear the valid science, if any exists, from the noise; as I said in a previous post, not one has addressed my question as to why they don’t seem to mind the global tax on agriculture via Monsanto and Syngenta’s patents on our food supply; also, as deniers always, always resort to – “by believing in global warming you support Al Gore and the elite” . . . they have yet to answer to me how not believing in it does not aid the House of Saud/House of Bush and their fellow elite

    the underlying science is simple, the climate system, however, is complex; nobody, not you, not anyone can possibly know what changes will come; it’s a living experiment in which you are free to continue to spew your exhaust in my face, while better technologies are suppressed

  34. F. Beard says:

    … and, after automatically discarding any data coming from anyone who believes the earth is only a few thousand years old, none of the anti-climate changers have convinced me anything other than that they either a) fear progress and new technologies or b) work for House of Saud / House of Bush one way or other Stacy

    Even though this comment was not directed at me, please know that none of the above apply to me: I believe the earth and universe are billions of years old, I love new technology and I loath Bush and the Saudis. Also, I hate patent laws. But what I also can’t abide is that the elites should ease their fears of environmental destruction at the expense of the poor.

    As for living just another 46 years, I am sad that such a lovely person as yourself could have such a dismal outlook. I suspect and pray you will be very pleasantly surprised.

  35. balois says:

    “…It is estimated that greenhouse gas emissions trading markets could be worth $2 trillion by 2012…” (UN press release 10 May 2005)

    This is better than fiat money, better than the entire subprime derivatives alphabet soup! Not even a two-by-four barrack as an underlying. Fiat gas, virtual Co2, a regulatory nothing, created by academia, politicians, bureaucrats in cahoots with the financial pitbulls. All giddily expecting the manna raining from climate heaven – into their pockets.

    When the proverbial hits the fan, the only collateral left is a great big nothing, nada, nichts, rien, pooof all the beautiful Co2 certificates – gone with the wind! And nobody can be blamed, having mispriced the ‘assets’, the risk, the nothing. How more convenient a scam can one dream of?

    The mother of financial (gas) bubbles and all the enviro naivelings helping to blow it up and up and up…

    http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=433&ArticleID=4792&l=en

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEPUxE2uIw&feature=related

  36. Fiatmentalist says:

    You know i can be standing on the south pole, palm trees could be growing there, the sun could be beating down, the ice could have melted into desert i could be frying eggs off the ground i STILL wouldnt believe in global warming. I know the shape of the beast that needs my sub-mission. If a society emerges were humans arnt trying to rat fuck each other then maybe well get to some semblence of a harmonious life style untill then humanity is screwed because the only thing were destroying is ourselves.

  37. peterde says:

    First time poster, doesn’t everyone here actually agree?

    CO2 is not the issue as it isn’t harmful to the planet as it is literally plant food.

    Nobody approves the corporate pollution sprawl that’s been going on forever with all its nasty effects and spin offs (chemicals in the air, genetically manipulated seeds, etc.).

    Everyone realizes that oil has hit peak and even if that wasn’t the case due to the ownership structure (read: access and distribution rights to oil, including entire armies for Exxon etc.) imply that a dependence such as the one we have on it doesn’t make any sense, is short lived and will lead to our (the mob’s) demise if we don’t accept the fact that we have to be open to new technologies/alternatives.

    I don’t think anyone is refuting that there hasn’t been any warming since ’99 (public data). Furthermore, the climate is of course changing – as it always has been.

    The traditional GW league (IPCC) has been completely discredited by the climate gate scandal. Everyone knows they manipulated data and that there is an agenda behind it.

    The point is what some have mentioned that people always start to go crazy once the magic words are spoken. It’s really simple and you’ve reported on it too, Gore and his buddy founded the carbon credit scheme in the late 90s, later adopted the bollocks story that man made CO2 emissions affect the planet’s temperature and therefore we have to be taxed on it, globally – you cannot make this stuff up. Interesting read in that regard: Club of Rome 1967 “The Limits to Growth” or ask AJ when he’s on the show.

    Sidenote:

    In 2005 I went out with a friend who studied at the intl. university in Monaco at the time with a guy from New York who joined us for some drinks. His father was a n exec of Goldman’s office in NYC. At the end of the night we walked out and global warming came up, while waiting for the cab he shared sth. his father told him: “Global warming is a fraud and it’s designed to sucker in the populace into giving up their rights and pay a global tax on breathing.”

    Sounds like God’s work to me.

    PS: Ever since 2006 on Al Jazeera’s People & Power I have admired what you Stacy and Max are doing. You helped me through my studies when everything they were telling us in that turbo-capitalist brain washing factory did absolutely not fit in line with what I was seeing happening in the world. Since then I didn’t miss a single episode and through all your thoughts, guests, rants and reports have had a very interesting time during your interesting journey up to this point. For that I thank you and hope you guys keep your heads up!

    Cheers.

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