Baltic downgrades and Goldman sued

Stacy Summary:  I recommend you follow all the related stories on ZeroHedge about Sergey’s lawsuit against Goldman.  I think there is the makings of a thriller in this story . . .

191 comments on “Baltic downgrades and Goldman sued
  1. sharon says:

    OMG Dedo, that’s more scary than the chipmunk scenario!

  2. Fibon11235 says:

    Here is some more good information all round don’t you think?

    Who was that ignorant judge wishing for us all to remain ignorant by suggested banning of links to web site? No don’t tell me Id rather remain ignorant lol, he is not worth knowing.

    The main stream media will I hope find out that few people would pay to read there disinformation and propaganda and there profits continue to wither.

    Well to my surprise FOFOA and MAX, well done, happy reading!

    @Max it points to a different article at the top which has Browns bottom within it. Browns bottom, who came up with Brown Finger as his version of Gold Finger lol?

  3. Dedo says:

    @Sharon,……I thought you might find this an interesting read,..and I’m not taking the piss! Sit back, relax your muscles and take your time : )

  4. sharon says:

    An interview regarding New World Order plans for the U.S. and its citizens:-

    In the spring of 1997, Senior Editor, Professor Ian Stewart, met with “Mr. Sea” (real name known but withheld) to discuss what he has learned first-hand about the coming persecution at the hands of the New World Order operatives. With a seven-inch thick portfolio filled with photographs, news articles, correspondence, etc., Mr. Sea revealed disturbing information about New World Order efforts to destroy and enslave America. The following are some of Mr. Sea‘s comments. But first, let’s take a look at the man who made the comments.

    Mr. Sea, a committed Christian, is a former inspector for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense, with 31 years of federal service in the military, nine with the Department of Defense, including two years with the Air Staff. He’s a holder of the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, three awards of the Joint Service Medal, all of the Vietnamese awards, as well as the Joint Meritorious Unit Medal. When he retired a few years ago, he was awarded the Secretary of Defense Civilian Service Medal. He’s been around the world, to 31 countries on four continents, and speaks five languages. Mr. Sea spoke of the coming American Holocaust of the Government’s plans for dealing with the non-New World Orderites. He spoke of the infrastructure that has already been set up to incarcerate and execute Americans, and the locations of the facilities that will be used for these purposes, all with photographs, leaving little to the imagination.

    “The infrastructure is set up. There are at least 130 concentration camps…………………..

  5. sharon says:

    Actually the link to the above post seems to be quite old so perhaps take with a pinch of salt although much of what is written in there has been reported by others (even msm).

  6. Phil says:

    FT Germany :

    Two titles on their front page that I find pretty strange.

    US-Industrie vor spektakulärem Comeback
    … US Industry in spectacukar comeback !

    “Wir sind wieder im Rausch”
    … German StockExch. : we are back in Bull market mode !

    Basically saying : EVERYTHING’S JUST GREAT !

    Sheesh !

  7. Phil says:

    Fiscal ruin of the Western world beckons

    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
    Published: 5:40PM BST 18 Jul 2009

    Oldie , but did I miss this one ?

  8. dan valley says:

    Lets make hedge funds and the stock market illegal….this would go far to promote transparency… the ability for a select few to control the money and gain endless power over what happens on the globe …just straight-up labor for cash. and boring banking….I think after we walk down that road for a while we will come to see what really matters and move beyond this complicated monotony.

  9. dan valley says:

    ron paul 2012

  10. sharon says:

    @ dan valley………ron paul 2012

    I just watched a great interview on Russia Today with Ron Paul’s son who is running for office coz he says the country is going to hell in a handcart. He is also a doctor and seemed like a genuine, intelligent guy – much like his father. I hope he wins. He had some great policies as well on healthcare and the economy and also believes the Fed should be abolished.

  11. Mike/Liverpool says:


  12. Mike says:

    one thing I have noticed after hours trading seems like a dog that had the shit beat out it.

  13. dan valley says:

    Just a quick comment on the Alex Jones interview…for what its worth.
    His style of interview is terrible to say the least….I mean just watching him doodle like a high school delinquient during history while max is laying it all out there……and just as max or any of his guests are coming to the crucial point of it jones blurts out some sensationalism like Fema Camps!!! or Nazi!!! and it usually has nothing to do with what has been said prior….it like he has tourettes …serious,I expect him to start clucking like a chicken coupled with a spaztic head jerk soon

  14. karmastar23 says:

    If you want me to trawl through the archives to find the comments I referred to then I will but I dont hold much hope in you apologising or doing anything but trying to wriggle out of it.

    You seem to flirt with racism more than anyone on this site. And anybody that gives air time to Holocaust deniers, only describing the article as ‘interesting’ is careless to say the least.

    …and now I notice that you are posting about an american holocaust – if this 12 yr old story is not fact and we should take it with a pinch of salt…. why is it here? Your research is careless.

  15. dan valley says:


    Ron Paul and his son would be ideal the only issue is the religious nonsense….all religion excludes critical thinking but if its true that he is a member of the creationist camp……it breaks my heart. Having said that he is still the only person that would do what he says and that is to follow the constitution , shrink govt, shut down the overseas adventures,end the fed and the irs the drug war , and promote sound money……..

  16. Mike says:

    The recent run up might have been cause for many reasons including computers Its possible this action was caused by algorithm of multiple market makers going crazy.
    If that is the case and this was all manipulated someone might be stuck with a ton of S&P futures contract. Nothing is illegal about buying futures and moving market highers But if it was caused by computers gone wild somebody is going to pay dearly.

  17. Mini US says:

    Re: Free advice.
    I must admit that I have been guilty of asking the forum whats the deal with Gold/Silver ie free advice.
    This site introduced me to gold – Max waving gold coins around on his earlier shows saying buy these 🙂
    So I asked a few financial advisers here in Asutralia. They do charge which is great, but they JUST SELL BANK PRODUCTS FOR COMMISSION ANYWAY which is a bit pointless to me.
    Most of the 6 or so I asked said “I don’t know much about gold but I’ll look into it”.
    People on here seem to be more aware of the reality of whats going on, especially longer term. Not just making a sale.
    Brokers/fund managers seem to get paid whether investments go up or down with no real responsibility for their advice. I have a friend who is a broker/trader , he told me to keep my money in the bank if I didn’t want to lose it all. These guys will sort out their mates then get to you later.
    Then I hear that money in the bank is also risky. We have a govt guarantee on deposits at the moment FWIW, but when that is removed I’m outta there.
    Thanks for everyones insights. This is the best forum on the web by far.

  18. Mini US says:

    OK, a favorite topic of mine.
    Productivity gains.
    Productivity gains means less people doing the same job. Or what used to be a 5 person job, then became a 4 person job. This was seen as good, so then it became a one person job with the help of wonderful technology and corporate climbers becoming managers.
    In a TV studio for example there were camera people, sound people, aoutocue people, floor managers, etc.
    Now there is one person and a computer, this is great, if not a little boring/stressful for that person….until the computer crashes. Then we go to colour bars or black.
    Ha! Better than what was on TV I hear you say.
    So the result of productivity is that there are 8 people out of work and a black screen.
    The next stage is that the one person working has a nervous breakdown and is replaced by the hungry one who was sacked earlier. And the story goes on.
    Productivity gains is one of those phrases that came into politicians speak around the same time as Globalisation. Here we are told that to compete with the Chinese we will have to live like the Chinese in order to achieve productivity gains.
    So……sweat shops for all. Yipeeeee!

  19. Mike says:

    Of course whoever whatever got itself into this jam probably has the FED to save there ass I wish I had the FED backing me. The FED should stay the hell out and let markets correct themself thats the only way to get rid of the assholes!

  20. Mike says:


  21. Mini US says:

    Saw that Frontline doco on the collapse and Paulson.
    Man, he just clicks his fingers and Ka-Pow!
    Just like Mr. Burns in The Simpsons.
    Do you think Burns’ character was based on Paulson?!?!??!?!?!

  22. frances snoot says:

    The Palatz article has a crucial flaw reflected in this sentence:
    ” The brilliant old agent comes in from the cold, crosses to our side, and in hours of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in the name of a political ideology he now realizes has gone rotten.”

    Stiglitz is furthering free trade and globalist ideology through UN economic reforms at present. Here is the link:

    The gist of the un recommendations are more stimulus, for all developed nations, and a new credit facility, for developing nations.
    ” Mobilizing Additional Development Funds by the Creation of a New Credit
    Given the need for rapid response, the new credit facility might be more quickly
    established under the umbrella of existing institutions, such as the World Bank…”

    Recently, Stiglitz has touted more stimulus for US, despite ridiculous, unsustainable deficits:
    Palast indicates that Stiglitz has washed his hands of the corrupt IMF:
    But instead of chairing the meetings of ministers and central bankers, Stiglitz was kept exiled safely behind the blue police cordons, the same as the nuns carrying a large wooden cross, the Bolivian union leaders, the parents of AIDS victims and the other ‘anti-globalization’ protesters. The ultimate insider was now on the outside.
    But Der Spiegel has a different take:,1518,616743,00.html
    That’s why we wouldn’t go that far. I propose that countries with a positive trade balance should stream part of their surplus to the International Monetary Fund. This can then stimulate the economy in developing countries or prevent the economy from collapsing in Eastern Europe.

    To understand what Stiglitz wants, turn to the UN where Stiglitz heads the Economic Reform Committee. Stiglitz opposes protectionism and supports free trade. Stiglitz prefers a devalued dollar and a bigger basket of currencies alloted to sdrs with a lending facility.

  23. The (mis)Behavior of Markets: A Fractal View of Financial Turbulence
    Benoit Mandelbrot

    That book HAS to be good… and so, it’s my next one
    and I got the idea from ZERO HEDGE comments, no less !!!
    Thanx M&S for pointing me in the right direction at (possibly) the right time, yet again…

    The Interwebz never ceases to amaze me in its mysterious ways…

    (“Splendid Exchange” is almost done… I’m on Battle of Seattle… the summum bonum of the book… I need more BRAIN FOOD !!!!)

  24. Mini US says:

    Just reading all these headlines, it seems that there is a need for more liquid injection into just about everywhere!

  25. BondiBhoy says:

    MiniUS: I wasnt that impressed with the Frontline doco on the BS/Lehman collapse. It seemed to push a certain view that ‘poor old Paulson’ had to go against his noble capitalist free marketeering ways and bail out the banks. Although at least it did make mention of the bigger Wall St. firms invading the offices of BS/Leh & picking over their carcasses.

  26. What’s wrong about Globalization?
    What’s right about Protectionist Tariffs?


  27. Mike says:

    Hillary Clinton

    Most people would never agree with me but I have a lot of respect for her.

  28. frances snoot says:

    I wasn’t debating globalization or protectionism: just showing that Palast was misrepresenting the views and ‘goodness’ of Stiglitz.

    Do you promote globalization? I don’t think it is good for poor people.
    Trade restrictions benefit local markets. Local markets are good for common people.

  29. Mike says:

    I know what I like about Hillary Clinton she is a fighter no matter what she continues with her agenda she is train a locomotive with all engines running she doesn’t stop!

  30. frances snoot says:

    Currency manipulation has been the new paradigm in trade manipulations. The IMF stated that a dollar devaluation was in order. The cost of imports will skyrocket in US, but a diminished dollar will favor exports, mainly war. Hypocrisy is how the central banks of nations coordinate currency valuations and then claim the world needs free trade!

    How can the Western powers condemn China’s Treasury/Yuan manipulations and yet suppress gold?

    The expanding deficit in the US could arguably be perceived as a defacto dollar devaluation device to encourage US exports.

  31. Coby says:

    Here’s an article from Seeking Alpha with another point of view on HFT. I foresee potential problems in how an algorithm will determine if information (noise) is propaganda or reliable information. Also since oversight is said to be non existent there are too many holes for someone to tweak an algorithm and take advantage of the opportunities.

  32. Dante says:

    Not sure if people care but figured I would pass it on:

    Silver market analyst Ted Butler today alerted us all that the close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, August 12, is the deadline for submitting comment to the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission in regard to enforcement of position limits in the futures markets. The CFTC is encouraging submission of comments by e-mail to this address:

    [email protected]

    The CFTC’s press release about submitting comments can be found here:

    GATA urges U.S. citizens to send a brief note to the CFTC at the e-mail address above, urging the commission to heed the comments sent to the commission by Butler and GATA board member Adrian Douglas.

    Butler’s comments can be found here:

    Douglas’ comments may be found here:

  33. Mike says:

    On the Subject of trading if I knew someone purposely someone manipulated the market illegal to force me to lose I’d kill them no if and or buts about it stick a shotgun in there in mouth and tell them suck it!

  34. Mike says:

    I guess that includes Goldman Sachs you fucken cock sucker with your billion dollar bonus suck on my fucken shotgun you cocks

  35. Youri Carma says:

    @frances snoot

    Joe Stiglitz is a bit of a ambigious figure taking diffirent point of views depending when or where you ask him the question. I talked about it before on other forums and figured that he tries to keep the NWO happy on one side and on the other side tries to get some of his own ideas through. I don’t think he will win his pleed for the poor countries this way but he just tries to stay in the debate by taking moderate stand points.

    My view is that there is something fundamentaly wrong in the sytem of power and moneystreams. Issues from 35 years ago still are thought to youngsters as if they just came about. Deforesting, starving Gorillas, starving third world children etc… The are presented as problems which we, ordanairy citizens are to blame for and still nothing has changed in these 35 years, why? Caues we arn’t the ones who caused this. In fact there are just a vew insanely rich families who own compagnies which are responsible for all the mishap in nature, that’s why! Rockefellows, Rothschields, name them all are the ones who are realy in control and also control the media in which our believe systems are formed.

    Only by directing the power en moneystreams away from this inbred families can make us realy change the world the way we intended for more than 35 years. if Stiglitz wants to keep licking the boots of these cooperate fascists and hoping he can do something for the poor it’s his call but it won’t work.

  36. 13blackcats says:

    Mike, are you practicing your Hillary Clinton impersonation? Cause if you are, I think you have it down to a tee! 😉

  37. Mike says:


  38. Mike says:


  39. Mike says:


    sets ya straight…
    DEATH LETTER… 1967

    Sing it for the Dollar…
    ya’know she needs it…

    @Frances Snoot
    Do you promote globalization? I don’t think it is good for poor people.
    Trade restrictions benefit local markets. Local markets are good for common people.

    I don’t believe Globalization really matters…
    I used to think it was evil,
    but now I see that
    it is impotent…

    “A Splendid Exchange” has adjusted my awareness somewhat…
    I blame it on the Mamluks of Wall Street
    Who knew that being a slave actually paid off???
    Other than Max, that is…

  41. Mike says:


  42. Mini US says:

    Go Adrian Douglas from GATA!!!
    Nice letter.

  43. @Mike

    I’m sorry, I’ve never had that much to lose… yet…
    still working on it…

    I have lost 33%+ thanx to the ’08 dump….
    Now, I’ve been making it back on my own…
    Fuck the Financial Mortuary Advisors…

    If you don’t mind my asking, however,
    how exactly did you lose $200k ???
    One stock went sour? Mutual Funds?

  44. Mike says:

    it’s like this we are going down so short here is a stick up your fucken ass HOW DO YOU LIKE A STICK UP YOUR ASS because we cant afford the situation we are in but the federal government is going to give us all the money in the freaken world because we are GOLDMAN SACHS

    IF you understand what I said then maybe the weed your smoking is as good as mind

  45. frances snoot says:

    Stiglitz is One of them.
    Currency streams…well, the move is to cut off the creeks and kill the beavers. Build a dam and only allow inside the insiders to swim. The rest of us will eat and slave or not eat and die. (That is the Plan, but I think the plan fails badly)

    What makes me livid is the mealy-mouthed leaders telling people their will be a jobless recovery. Talk about rubbing sand in our faces…

  46. Mike says:

    I’m smoking some of the best hydroponic weed you buy I’m wasted!!!! But I still think Goldman should die

  47. @Mike

    IF you understand what I said then maybe the weed your(sic) smoking is as good as mind(sic)

    It is…
    In fact,
    it might be better…
    but, where’s the $200k ???

  48. frances snoot says:

    “Only by directing the power en moneystreams away from this inbred families”

    People must divorce themselves completely from the system, but here the people fawn and slaver for their slave-masters and call those who would warn them doomers and nutters. It’s sickening.

  49. Mr Supergeek says:

    Cheers…thank god..It’s about time you posted something humorous, please more, more of your funny life story stuff…this site has been short on laughs lately…also ..have wondered what you do when the multiple post and caps lock thingy wears off….I suppose if you are short of money you could stop trying to wear out your keyboard.

  50. Mike says:

    One think everybody should know I don’t care if you have a hundred billion it ain’t enough you will never have enough
    And even if is people like me will want to stick a shotgun in your mouth!
    everybody has to eat
    everybody has to eat
    everybody has to eat
    everybody has to eat

  51. frances snoot says:

    Here’s what a “jobless recovery” looks like:

  52. frances snoot says:

    I wonder how “lived in tent city for ten months” looks on a resume?

  53. Mike says:

    The fact is MAX has to realize the economic and social issue combined with people losing hundreds of thousands of dollars and some making hundred of thousand dollars when you lose killing seems okay

  54. Adam Gibson says:

    I quite enjoyed this rant about the disgraceful political situation in the US:

  55. Mr Supergeek says:

    yeah everybody has to eat…and stoners need sugar…thank god you found your cookies….also I heard once a good emergency remedy is drinking warm water with sugar and a little salt dissolved in it but don’t quote me on that.

  56. Mike says:


  57. Mike says:

    thank GOD WE HAVE A LEVEL HEADED ENTREPRENEUR LIKE MAX to help us figure out what we should do because nobody knows but possibly when markets go the wrong way people can get killed no fucken joke the market went the wrong way you die

  58. Mike says:

    Markets can be a life or death situation!

  59. Mr Supergeek says:

    Thanks all for your candor and honesty…. it does seem like a lot of people have been posting completely pissed or stoned lately, but hey it is summer hols…also I know the pressue must be so great for some of you..mike I’m not sure the ‘best weed money can buy makes you want to kill or complain that much…I didn’t wanna have to tell you but I think you got ripped off..again…..personally the getting high thing is only a problem if you haven’t joined in…forearmed is forewarned

  60. Mike says:

    Has anybody been to Indonesia what a beautiful country I hope they don’t hate the USA for ever we fuck up !

  61. Mike says:

    I’m wasted but isn’t that amazing I can say what i think well I’m wasted. Getting past that one problem I’ll never forget is losing 2two hundred thousands dollars because Goldman Sachs was sucking wind and the fed had to step in save there ass that sucked for me

  62. Mike says:


  63. Youri Carma says:

    Russia revives gold mining in the Gulags

  64. Youri Carma says:

    “China imported record amounts of crude oil and iron ore last month, lending support to a commodities market rally that has seen the price of both raw materials nearly double this year.

    As the world’s largest consumer of a range of commodities, China’s buying trends have a huge impact on global prices. The import surge surprised investors as many were expecting a drop in July after large imports in the first half of the year”

    “China imported 4.6m barrels of crude oil a day last month, the highest monthly amount ever and up 42 per cent from last July, according to customs figures. The new record, equivalent to more than half of Saudi Arabia’s daily output, is well above the previous peak of 4.1m b/d set in March 2008, when China was building oil stockpiles ahead of last summer’s Olympics.”

    FROM: China oil and iron ore imports surge

  65. Mike says:

    DUDE any trader has to feel like the government gave me the big bone how can you jump so fast all you did was fuck everybody !

    Now what the fuck I’m hoping for a drop what the is the matter with country every body has to fucken eat we don’t need no fucken games you want to play games ill put a fucken shotgun in your fucken mouth

    Drink Milk

  66. Mike says:

    I think every alpha male would just love to put a shotgun in someones mouth that deserved it you rip me off ill kill ya . an I’m smoking some of the best hydroponic weed you can buy but still i’ll kill ya and you know what i’ll have fucken fun that right I have fucken fun blowing your fucken head off

  67. Youri Carma says:

    “China National Petroleum Corp (CNPC), the country’s largest oil and gas producer, will speed up overseas acquisitions in regions such as Africa and South America this year, said Wednesday’s China Daily.” FROM: CNPC to speed up oil assets purchase plan

  68. Mike says:

    IT makes ya wonder who the fuck has to die the Fed or goldman what the fuck. I think it obvious Goldman has to GO!

  69. Mr Supergeek says:

    Don’t get me wrong I feel your $2,000 pain…I work with ‘the bottom folk’ everyday and when you work in the ghetto you learn a thing or two about people with drug problems….I’m not convinced about what people call cannabis psychosis…but from reading your comments you seem like a classic case…not always able to make sense to other people, being in a rut, avoiding personal responsibility, or when your mind goes over and over same things and you constantly repeat yourself…also if use 10 words when 5 will do to stae the obvious and when you start to enjoy having violent fantasies, then…..Hold on that sounds like about 99% of the people who post on this…Maybe even me…Try Drinking Prune Juice.

  70. Mike says:

    Live and let DIE you fuck me mother fucker and ill fucken kill you

  71. Mike says:

    Anyway it doesn’t matter because MAX is the dude the man just has such incredible insight you just want to here what he has to say

  72. alister says:

    mike calm down man

  73. Mike says:

    Hydroponic weed is good but the question is what dos that have to do withs sp 500 nothing you lose

  74. Mike says:

    You done pissed me the fuck off again I don;t what to say you fuck me I’ll kill you what do you think of that i’ll fucken kill you

  75. Mr Supergeek says:

    You said that already… that’s what I’m talking about….never repeat threats it makes you look weak…as in not ALPHA….Mike you know a hug is not smug…that is why I’m reaching out my arms to ya.

    PS. I’m more of a stacy fan.

  76. Mike says:

    I think the media better realise its not a fucken game people have there opion y7ou cross that people can and will die

  77. Mike says:

    If You fuck with me I’ll stick a shotgun in your ass that must hurt has anybody had a shotgun in your ass

  78. Mike says:

    Not only will I blow your fucken brains out i’ll have mother fucken fun

  79. Mike says:

    Trading Goldman Scahs these pricks are the most trade against trader in Alabama you meess use yure none

  80. Mother Earth says:


    It sucks these people just won’t go away. If the same thing happened in a small village, let’s say Goldman was the fat banker and the whole village was ripped off, do you thing the village would kneel to the fat banker? He and what army? More likely he’d be found hanging from the church tower like mr. Pazzi in Hannibal..

  81. Mother Earth says:

    Reality immitating art: A crime watch show that created its own crimes..

  82. BondiBhoy says:

    Looks like Goldman are gonna have to hire a squad of Marines to guard the entrance. Mike is well peeved. I’m with ya Mikey!

  83. Dedo says:

    @Bondiboy,…… peeved slang for stoned ?

  84. sharon says:

    @karmastar23…………………..You seem to flirt with racism more than anyone on this site. And anybody that gives air time to Holocaust deniers, only describing the article as ‘interesting’ is careless to say the least.

    …and now I notice that you are posting about an american holocaust – if this 12 yr old story is not fact and we should take it with a pinch of salt…. why is it here? Your research is careless.

    Believe it or not I don’t like being accused of being something I’m not. This is the best you could come up with? You haven’t even some back with anything to refute my previous points, instead you’ve decided to come out with yet more false accusations. You are now accusing me of racism – again, I defy you to back that up with some evidence (you can’t). I beleive there is a previous post of mine in which it is very clear that I am not racist; Here’s an excert from that post:-

    “He (Obama) is very much in the pocket of the white oligarchs and as a result the blacks and hispanics in America are getting very little out of his presidency, in fact most poor people will suffer because his policies are to protect the rich at the expense of the poor. When Obama became president I, like many others, had hoped he would help those less fortunate and especially the black people in America who, imho, continue to get a raw deal (eg. 1 in 4 black men will go to jail at some point). Actually, when he was elected it stirred emotions in me of hope/relief/joy at the prospect of someone becoming president who might actually understand the problems of the poor and the ordinary person (and let’s face it – that was a big part of the theme of his presidency campaign and as a result many poor people and those in the ethnic minorities voted him in, many now are apparantly regretting it).”

    Care to explain which part of that is racism? Or would you like to back up your claims by producing some evidence?

    Re: The Holocaust. Now here is a touchy subject because it is the only one we are not allowed to analyse or even talk about – quite odd really. However, if you have a mind that is free thinking you don’t necessarily go along with the mainstream or the official version of events. It strikes me that when western govs., who are full of lying, cheating, murdering assholes, are telling the people that they cannot look into one of the biggest events in history; cannot question it analyse it or discuss it, but rather are told you MUST accept the official version (like their official version re: 9/11, 7/7, Pearl Harbour, Lusitania, etc, etc) then I get suspicious (as, I believe would anyone with a bit of intelligence and an inquiring mind. In fact it was 9/11 that started me off questioning everything else). Now, when you have the balls to look into the evidence regarding a particular event you find things are not what you were told. Pretty obvious really when you consider the previous record and the modus operandi of the ptb. You’d have to be a bit thick not to consider the possibilities, Now come on, stop being so bloody niaive and check it out for yourself (or are you a good little robot who believes what he is told by the authorities – coz they’ve got such a good track record haven’t they, I mean what they’re doing now is really helping us out isn’t it – grow up!!).
    Your last point regarding what I posted last (the potential revolt in Amercia) at least has some truth to it, ie. it was an old post which is why I immediately posted beneath it that it was to be taken with a pinch of salt. If I had not done that then you would be right to say it was careless research, but as it happens I corrected it straight away.
    You imply that if you weren’t too lazy to back up your accusations and provide some evidence that I would not apologise or I would wriggle out of it. How could you know that? Sounds like an excuse to me to avoid backing up your silly comments.. If you can provide the evidence in black and white I most definitely will apologise and if I were to try to wriggle out of it I’m sure it would be obvious to everyone. Now either provide the evidence or shut up! In the meantime grow up and check out what’s really going on in the world before telling others that their views are wrong!

  85. [email protected] says:

    just heardon al-jazerra..”war is a necessary predicate for development”……now that’s change I can believe in

  86. Mike says:


  87. 13BlackCats says:

    …… peeved slang for stoned ?

    First it was speel, now peeved. Methinks we need a comment lexicon.

    annoyed; irritated; vexed.
    see: Mike

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